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Re: PALMER/SOUTHWOOD marriage & Census
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 20 January 18 02:49 GMT (UK) »
hi Suzy W, I have a DNA match to a descendant from Lavinia Pamer/Beadon Davey and am trying to work out how I match them.  I have ancestral lines into Taunton and Enmore/Stowey area.  What I am interested in is, on the death certificate of Lavinia Palmer who does it say that her mother was?  Her father was Joseph Palmer - it is listed on her 1849 marriage record at Nether Stowey and that he was a labourer and this matches her 1827 birth at Taunton.  There are two marriages of a Joseph Palmer at Over Stowey - the first is in 1816 to Elizabeth Southwood the second is in 1820 to Elizabeth Walford.  Do the surnames Southwood or Walford appear on Lavinia's death certificate?

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Re: PALMER/SOUTHWOOD marriage & Census
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 20 January 18 03:43 GMT (UK) »
Hi.

You will be a relation to my husbands side.  His grandmother was a Davey by birth.

On Lavina's death certificate it states her parents were Hotelkeeper's, this is not so, it seems as if the family made a mistake or were confused on what Joseph did as a profession.  It turns out Joseph was a broom maker.  Apparently he had up to nineteen children to two wives, the first Elizabeth Southwood, mother of Lavinia died in 1838 and shortly after Joseph remarried to another Elizabeth nee (Sparks)

Is this of any help?
Suzy W


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Re: PALMER/SOUTHWOOD marriage & Census
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 20 January 18 06:46 GMT (UK) »
hi, Yes I have the marriage record of Elizabeth Southwood to Joseph Palmer in 1816, but there are two couples having children in Over Stowey.  There was a second Joseph Palmer married to Elizabeth Walford in 1820, the challenge then is which children belong to which Elizabeth!  Normally on the death certificate it has the mother's maiden name, so I was wondering if Lavinia Palmer's death certificate stated her mother's maiden name or not?  A lot of researchers on the web have her mother as Elizabeth Southwood, but unless it is on Lavinia's death record it is an assumption, as her mother could be Elizabeth Walford, not Elizabeth Southwood.  Thank you!

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Re: PALMER/SOUTHWOOD marriage & Census
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 20 January 18 08:09 GMT (UK) »
Burial;
17 Jun 1838, St James, Taunton
ELIZABETH Palmer age 47
Burial person abode West Monkton

The Joseph, widower, who married Elizabeth Sparks, Spinster, has this address on the M/Entry;
Currys brickyard South Monkton
Charlotte PALMER was a witness

Both on FreeREG
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Re: PALMER/SOUTHWOOD marriage & Census
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 20 January 18 08:46 GMT (UK) »
Yes I see your dilemma Janet;

Baptisms;
PALMER;
St Peter and Paul, Over Stowey
MARY ANN 25 Dec 1821
CAROLINE 10 Mar 1822
EPHRAIM 07 Sep 1823
Parents JOSEPH/ELIZABETH, Fathers Occp Broomer**
Then;
JANE 25 Dec 1825 to same Parents, Father a Labourer
SOPHIA 29 June 1828 (broomer)
ESTHER 17 Apr 1831 (broomer)
ELIZABETH 20 Jul 1834 (broomer)
JOSEPH 16 Jul 1837 (broomer)


Abode on all is Bincombe Combe

All above on FreeREG

1851 Census;
Over Stowey
Joseph Palmer   52 Lab and broom maker
Elizth Palmer   51
Ephraim Palmer   27
Sophia Palmer   22
Esther Palmer   19
Elizth Palmer   17
Joseph Palmer   4*****



PALMER, JOSEPH, Nothers mn WALFIRD****
GRO Reference: 1847  M Quarter in OF BRIDGWATER  Volume 10  Page 381

So not Lavinias Parents.

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Re: PALMER/SOUTHWOOD marriage & Census
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 20 January 18 09:08 GMT (UK) »
1851/1861 Elizabeth Palmer nee Walford is born c 1800 Over Stowey.
Her Baptism is on FreeREG   29 Jun 1800 to WILLIAM/SARAH
Siblings;
THOMAS 06 Feb 1794
SARAH 30 Oct 1795
EDMOND 28 Jan 1798
ANNE 20 Dec 1802
WILLIAM 28 Sep 1806
CHARLES 28 Jan 1810
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Re: PALMER/SOUTHWOOD marriage & Census
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 20 January 18 09:41 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Trish!  That gives the answer that I was looking for! I had grouped the two groups of children together, but was looking for a definitive answer as to which was which, and that birth record of Joseph Palmer with mother nee Walfird makes it 100%!  Fantastic :)

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Re: PALMER/SOUTHWOOD marriage & Census
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 20 January 18 10:42 GMT (UK) »
Your very welcome.
Sometimes anothers view of things helps sort it out. I found this when I first joined Rootschat with my queries.

All these best,
Trish :)
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