Holdstock family

[JMB1943]

My gt-gt-grandmother was Mary Ann Catherine Holdstock (b. 1840, Wittersham; d. 1906, Rye).
I gave up my Ancestry subscription, so cannot chase down answers to my question.

Was she a direct relation (sister/cousin/aunt) to Edward Holdstock (b. 1857, BMD gives Tenterden) who married Ann Weaver in q2 1880, again registered in Tenterden ?

Regards,
JMB

[redtonyt]

It would appear that your Mary Ann Catherine Holdstock was baptised as an illegitimate child of Mary Ann Holdstock as per the following baptism at Tenterden,

1842 25-Sep Mary Ann Catherine Wenham d/o Mary Ann HOLDSTOCK Wittersham

There may well be a relationship with Edward Holdstock, I have set out his baptism (at Wittersham) below,

1857 Jul 04 HOLDSTOCK Edward s/o Samuel Elizabeth Wittersham Labourer

There is also this baptism at Wittersham (possibly the mother of MAC Holdstock)

1816 Feb 28 HOLDSTOCK Marianne d/o Charles Ann Wittersham Labourer

Maybe there is a relationship to be found and I shall look further.

Tony

[JMB1943]

Tony,

Thanks for your help.
Am I correct in thinking that an illegitimate child could be given the father’s name, if the father actually acknowledged the child ? If so, then the father was (probably) a Wenham.
Anything more that you can discover about Edward H would be of interest.

Regards,
JMB

[redtonyt]

Not sure what else you want to know about Edward Holdstock but, this is almost certainly the marriage of his parents at Wittersham,

1844 Oct 19 B HOLDSTOCK Samuel Ba F/a Wittersham Discharged soldier Thomas Labourer WHITWICK Elizabeth W F/a Wittersham John PAINE Tailor
Witnesses Joseph Holdstock Eliza Holdstock

Baptism of Edward's father Samuel,

1803 Jan 30 HOLDSTOCK Samuel s/o Thomas & Mary Wittersham

Baptism of Edward's mother at Appledore, from family Search only, needs to be confirmed,

1816 Aug 4 Elizabeth d/o John & Mary PAINE

Elizabeth Paine married Frederick Whitewick on 10 July 1837 at Appledore.  Cannot find a burial or death record for Frederick at this time.

Let me know if you want to go further back on Edward's pedigree.

Tony

[JMB1943]

Tony,

I was hoping that there might be an obvious link between Edward H and Mary Ann H.
Thanks for your info regarding his parentage, which will be helpful in putting things together.

Regards,
JMB

[redtonyt]

JMB,

Here is a possible relationship pedigree linking Edward to Mary Ann Catherine.  I will leave it to you to pull apart.  All extracts are from Wittersham Parish unless otherwise stated.  For information there was another Holstock (James) marriage at Godmersham in 1785 who could be a further brother born 1763, Wittersham?

1751 Jan 14 HOLDSTOCK Henry m’d GOODSALL Elizabeth at Orlestone.

1752 Jan 29 HOLDSTOCK Thomas s/o Henry Elizabeth Wittersham 01 Mar
1758 Jan 15 HOLDSTOCK William s/o Hen: Elizabeth Wittersham

1782 Feb 07 B HOLSTOCK Thomas Ba Wittersham WALLIS Mary Sp Wittersham Wm Walker William Holstock
1786 Feb 26 Holstock William (Godmersham) m’d COOK Alice (Chilham) at Godmersham

1803 Jan 30 HOLDSTOCK Samuel s/o Thomas Mary Wittersham
1790 Jan 31 HOLSTOCK Charles s/o William Alice Wittersham

1844 Oct 19 B HOLDSTOCK Samuel Ba F/a Wittersham Discharged soldier Thomas Labourer WHITWICK Elizabeth W F/a Wittersham John PAINE Tailor Joseph Holdstock Eliza Holdstock

1810 Dec 10 HOLSTOCK Charles m’d HOOK Ann (both otp) at Tenterden

1857 Jul 04 HOLDSTOCK Edward s/o Samuel Elizabeth Wittersham Labourer

1816 Feb 28 HOLDSTOCK Marianne d/o Charles Ann Wittersham Labourer

1842 25-Sep Mary Ann Catherine Wenham Mary Ann HOLDSTOCK Wittersham (baptism at Tenterden)

Best wishes,
Tony

[JMB1943]

Hello Tony,

Absolutely brilliant !!  Thanks for the effort of the look-ups AND typing it all out here.

I was going to take 2 aspirin and call you in the morning.......
However, it looks like the tree goes as below

Thomas (b. 1752) and William (b. 1758) are brothers,
Samuel (b. 1803)  and Charles (b. 1790) are 1st cousins,
Edward (b. 1857) and  Marianne (b. 1816) are 2nd cousins,
Edward's son Frank (b.1890) and Mary Ann Catherine Holdstock/Wenham (b. 1840) are 3rd cousins, so a relative, but not that close. Does that look correct to you ?


1844 Oct 19 B HOLDSTOCK Samuel Ba F/a Wittersham Discharged soldier Thomas Labourer WHITWICK Elizabeth W F/a Wittersham John PAINE Tailor Joseph Holdstock Eliza Holdstock

I read this as marriage of Samuel H, bachelor (father Thomas, a labourer) to Elizabeth Whitwick, widow of John Paine (a tailor), with Joseph H & Eliza H as the witnesses.

B Holdstock Samuel and F/a Wittersham----can you explain these abbreviations ?

Again, many thanks for all of your help.

Regards,
JMB

[redtonyt]

The relationships look ok to me but, I am no expert on that; I have to get my chart out.  Sadly that is still in a cardboard box (unpacked) in the garage.  Moved 6 months back and still sorting out some things before putting an office back into order.

Elizabeth Whitwick was the widow of Frederick and the daughter of John Paine, Tailor.

See Appledore baptism as earlier post,

1816 Aug 4 Elizabeth d/o John & Mary PAINE

B means marriage by Banns.  F/A means of full age i.e. over 21.

Hope this has answered all your questions,
Tony

[JMB1943]

Tony,

Yes, of course the Widow Whitwick must have been married to Mr. Whitwick....not her father, so perhaps I will take the aspirin now !
Thanks for the Banns & Full Age also.

Regards,
JMB