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Offline pigginnut

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a bit of an enigma UPDATE
« on: Sunday 22 November 09 15:55 GMT (UK) »
Please can anyone help here.

We have the birth certificate of Annie Kezia Synes
she was born in 1906 in Selborne Hants and her father is given as George William Synes and mother Eliza Synes formerly Rosewell.

I have found the family on 1911 census they are living at 33 Celynen Terrace, Newbridge Monmouthshire
 BUT the mother is down as Sarah Ann born 1875 Greenwich London.  It also says they have been married for 15 years

all the children except the youngest were born in selborne and the father was down as being born Battersea London abt 1873.  Occupation Miner

In 1901 the family are living in Selborne.  Mother is still Sarah    but the fathers occupation is Soldier and something in brackets after it that i cannot read.

I am a bit at a loss I cannot find a marriage of george  to either either elizabeth or sarah

which is correct why the different mothers name on birth cert.

I suppose he could have had an army marriage

incidentally the surname is frequently mispelt and on 1901 is sines

Can anyone help me out here please

Teresa

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Re: a bit of an enigma
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 22 November 09 16:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi Teresa,

FreeBMD has

Marriages Sep 1895 Kingston 2a 679
George Lines or Sines to either Sarah Ann Butcher or Sarah Ann Roberts
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Re: a bit of an enigma
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 22 November 09 16:19 GMT (UK) »
hmmmm it did sort of note that but its the eliza rosewell on the birth cert that is throwing me

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Re: a bit of an enigma
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 22 November 09 16:27 GMT (UK) »
Did you get the birth cert from the GRO or directly from the local registry office where the birth was registered and is the certificate a handwritten copy or a photo copy?  If the cert you have is a copy, then it is possible that "Eliza" is a mistake and should be "Sarah".  Perhaps the clerk got distracted and copied part of the information from another certificate.  I have found that if you email the local registry office with all the info from a cert (to prove you do have it, and you're not trying to pull a fast one!) and question, in this case for example,  the mother's maiden name, the registry office will email back to confirm one way or the other.
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Re: a bit of an enigma
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 22 November 09 18:48 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for that suggestion I actually got it from the GRO so i don't know if it is a copy or not, don't know how it all works

I will try what you said tho


Thanks

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Re: a bit of an enigma
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 22 November 09 19:21 GMT (UK) »
In 1901 a lot of men had volunteered for the war in South Africa...

You could ask for a medal roll look up on the Armed Forces boards...

Discharges pre 1913 are in the process of being digitised by FindMyPast They were available for look up at Kew alphabetically... ;) WO97
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Re: a bit of an enigma
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 22 November 09 19:39 GMT (UK) »
Many of the certificates I have purchased from Southport contain a photographic copy of the original certificate as issued. If you go to a local registry office you are much more likely to receive a hand written copy, with all the attendant risks previously outlined.
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Re: a bit of an enigma
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 22 November 09 21:21 GMT (UK) »
The original registration was done at the local registry office at the time of the event.  Each quarter these were copied up (by hand) and sent to the General Register Office.  Many errors must have occured at that point.

These quarterly returns were organised into alphabetical order at the General Register Office and indexed - more errors in the indexes but presumably not in the certificates themselves.

Then we order a certificate and you may get  from the local register office a modern hand copy or a photocopy of the original cert, or you get a cert from GRO, which is either a photocopy of the copy made at the time of the event or a handwritten copy of the copy made at the time of the event.  So the cert from GRO is always a copy somewhere along the line, but the cert from the local register office may  be a photocopy of the actual record.  Sorry that's not the most elegant English, hope you get the gist of it !

Either way, I'm sure the local registrar will check their certificate for you and tell you if the original said Elizabeth or Sarah.
Perrins - Manchester and Staffs
Honan - Manchester and Ireland
Hogg - Manchester 19 cent
Anderson - Newcastle mid 19 cent
Boullen - London then Carlisle then Manchester
Comer - Manchester and Galway

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Re: a bit of an enigma
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 22 November 09 21:53 GMT (UK) »
thank you all i have emailed them and hope for a result