Watermen and lightermen Apprenticeships Bindings and licences

[kevinOC]

Hope that this helps you

Evans  Samuel Lowden 06/08/18012 Bermondsey Samuel Evans 10/02/1820

Source: The Company of Watermen & Lightermen of The River Thames
Bindings Index
1783 - 1823
by R.J Cottrell

Evans Samuel 10/05/1832 Bermondsey Samuel Lowden Evans 11/07/1839

Source: The Company of Watermen & Lightermen of The River Thames
Bindings Index
1823 - 1861
by R.J.Cottrell

I had a look at the 1742 -1783 & there is a Samuel Evans listed there at Rotherhith..is this place with the name familier?

[wikitoria]

Hi

I am new to all of this, so please forgive me,

Many of my ancestors were watermen I have been able to find their affidavits, however when I go back further I am meet with difficulty. The family myth goes that Thomas White ran away with the daughter of a coal merchant, I believe they lived in the Stepney, Shadwell area. Many of the relatives I have found have been both coal merchants and watermen, I was wondering if that is normally the case, and if anyone would be able to help me find any information on Thomas White, he would have been in the area in and around 1762-1771, as his children were born in Stepney around that time, any assistance would be very welcome.

[Bvc]

Hello, this is a forlorn hope but maybe someone can help. I am searching for information about Thomas Davis born c1800 and his wife Sophia nee Crane. Thomas seems to have died before 1841 and so too does his wife but they left a family of 5 boys behind. These children always refer to their father as having been a mariner and throughout the later history of the family a lot of the girls marry mariners. The family lived in and around Stepney and a lot of the family records are from St Dunstan's Stepney. It has been suggested to me that Thomas was a waterman but if so would he not be described as such and not 'mariner'. The later mariners in the family all seem to be at home on census nights which wouold indicate that they did not sail very far from home but surely if they really were watermen they would be proud to describe themselves so. What other sorts of mariners would there be in Stepney who mostly stayed near home? If any can offer any suggestions, I would be grateful. BVC

[gwendraith]

I'm very sorry for the long delay in thanking people for their kind help with regards my watermen ancestors. I have had a lot of success after info left here and visited the Guildhall Library and looked through the Watermen records. I found my x3 great  grandfather Samuel Lowden Evans' binding records, and his father's  and also two sons my x2 great grandfather's George T Evans and yet another Samuel.  I also discovered that x3ggf  Samuel Lowden Evans's brother John Alexander Evans won the coveted Dogget's Coat and Badge race in 1807. Samuel L and George T both became water postmen employed by the post office. Samuel L died in 1845 and George T in 1909 at the grand age of 82.

[bykerlads]

Does anyone know anything about records kept for the Tyneside watermen?
Our watermen in the 19thC were all ( 3 generations) called Alan West, of Byker.

[assiduity]

I'm also looking for a lighterman - John Cook Acton  - according to london gazette he was discharged from debt in 1834 with an occupation of lighterman, address millwall poplar?  earlier in his life he seems to have been a publican which seems an interesting change of direction!

Also, do the records reach as far as Folkestone?  Looking for a William Gittins sailor variously from Folkestone and Wales?

Many thanks for any assistance.

[jayg49]

Hi
So many questions i hope someone could help,
back in 2008 you posted a load of Tuckey waterman.  I am researching William Tuckey born in london in 1802 approx and listed in the 1841 census and in baptism records for his children as a waterman or lighterman.

in your original list one william tuckey didn't finish his apprenticeship so am i right in supposing that he wouldn't have had the right to call himself a waterman in census returns?

also the william tuckey who it might be was apprenticed in 1812 when he would have been 10 - 11 years would that be correct?
is there anywhere that the apprenticeship agreements can be looked at?
Thanks to all the fellow genealogists out there, you're always so helpful
jayg

[kildwick]

Hello someone!
I really don't know if what I'm doing is correct! I found a link to Watermen & Lightermen on Google and it brought me here.
I have come across a Waterman/Lighterman for the first time and am hoping someone can help.
John Martin appears on 1901

191 L Block, Borough Road, St George the Martyr, London   RG13 366 158 31
John Martin  40  Head  mar  Waterman  b.London
Ruth Martin  33  Wife  mar  b.London
John Martin  13  Son  b.London
Annie Martin  11  Daur  b.London
Ada Martin  9  Daur  b.London
Phillip Martin  7  Son  b.London

and 1911 (with son John also a Waterman/Lighterman)

26 King's Court, Suffolk, Southwark  RG14 01787
John Martin  51  Head  mar  Waterman-lighterman - Steamer Co.  b.Southwark
Ruth Martin  46  Wife  married 25 years  b.Southwark
John Martin  24  Son  un  Waterman & Lighterman - Steamer Co. b.Southwark
Annie Martin  21  Daur  un  b.Southwark
Ada Martin  19  Daur  un  b.Southwark
Phillip Martin  17  Son  un  Shopkeepers assistant - Grocers  b.Southwark
Emily Martin  14  Daur  Dressmaker apprentice  b.Southwark
Florrie Martin  12  Daur  b.Southwark
Rosina Martin  10  Daur  b.Southwark
Edward Martin  7  Son  b.Southwark
Carolina Martin  2  Daur  b.Southwark

Although it says married I have yet to find any marriage, or I should have been able to get at least a father's name for him.

Can someone help me find some details about him (and possibly his son John, who was baptised John Charles at Lambeth holy Trinity on 22 July 1887) as Martin is quite a common surname-as I've found out-especially John!
If not specific details maybe where I can get further help?
Many thanks
Pat

[pamissearching!!!]

Hi. Can anyone here help me please?
I have a William Alfred Miller baptised 27/5/1804 Lambeth [son of William Henry and Sarah.] I have not been able to trace him since his baptism but quite a few people have him plugged into their tree as a lighterman in Lambeth.
I am not so sure that they are the same people
Is anyone able to search the apprenticeship records for a matching William Miller. I cannot go to the Guildhall library myself to search [In Australia]
I would be very grateful for any help.