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Help with Andrew Boddon of Carsphairn
« on: Sunday 06 December 09 20:30 GMT (UK) »
I wonder if anyone can give me advice or information with Mr Andrew Boddon (Bodden).

I have him on the 1841 census living with his family in the parish of Carsphairn Kirkcubrightshire.

His profession is given as "Surgeon" aged 35, this seems strange too me as his neighbours are a shoe maker but mostly farm labourers, one is a schoolmaster.

What type of surgeon lives in a small village at that age? (I presume Carsphairn is a village).
I would have presumed surgeons would live near to large towns or cities.

It crossed my mind that he may have been joking at the time but his daughter does give his profession as surgeon on her marriage certificate.

Just seems strange too me, any thoughts or advice would be appreciated.

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Re: Help with Andrew Boddon of Carsphairn
« Reply #1 on: Monday 07 December 09 18:04 GMT (UK) »
He may have been more of what was known as a "Barber Surgeon" rather than how we understand the word today.   He possibly never went to medical school and would have served as an apprentice to another Barber Surgeon before setting up on his own.   His skills would have been quite basic, setting bones, amputations etc - he would probably not have performed any internal surgery, or only very minor stuff.   A lot of my ancesters spent some time in the Carsphairn leadmines and I would imagine there would be quite a few injuries there to deal with.

On the other hand, he may well have been very well qualified and just liked a quiet life!

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Ayrshire: McCormick (mack); McFadzean; Kerr; Brown; Paton; McGregor; McDonald; Moffat; Connel; Bone
Dumfries/Lanarks: (pre-1840) McDonald; Moffat; Bone; Hamilton; Hyslop; Sandiland; Bredwood; Kerr; Brown
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Re: Help with Andrew Boddon of Carsphairn
« Reply #2 on: Monday 07 December 09 22:43 GMT (UK) »
Thanks, gratefull for your information and it could make some sense

She did state on her marriage cert that her father was a Physician, and it was her husband (a Silk Dyer in Glasgow) that stated on her death cert that he was a surgeon.

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Re: Help with Andrew Boddon of Carsphairn
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 08 December 09 18:12 GMT (UK) »
PS - have you seen the lady looking for Boddans on the Scotland General thread?
Ayrshire: McCormick (mack); McFadzean; Kerr; Brown; Paton; McGregor; McDonald; Moffat; Connel; Bone
Dumfries/Lanarks: (pre-1840) McDonald; Moffat; Bone; Hamilton; Hyslop; Sandiland; Bredwood; Kerr; Brown
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Re: Help with Andrew Boddon of Carsphairn
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 06 January 10 00:25 GMT (UK) »
Hello.
I cannot comment on status of Andrew Boddon , but am hoping you may be able to help me.

I am trying to find some Boddons but not having much luck .
 
I have one William Boddon ( my Greatgrandfather )son of a ROBERTBODDON Born Scotland 1841 (Wigtownshire or Kirkbrideshire  per 1861/1871 census )

I have found a birth record for a Robert Boddon 24/09/1840 born to Andrew Boddon / Margaret Macmillan of Carsphairn and also 2 more records for daughters 28/12/1842 and 30/08/1844 ... both are listed as named Marion

I cannot find Andrew on 1841 census , but you obviously have .. All I can find on 1841 is a Robert aged 2 listed with a James and Mary Boddon both aged 65 ( old enough to be Grandparents ) .. but if correct where were parents ?

I am fairly certain this is correct thread , and if so would make sense of a few odities , also explaining why my Grandfather decided to give all his sons MacMillan as a second name .

Sorry to ramble on , but any help you can give will be very much appreciated.

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Re: Help with Andrew Boddon of Carsphairn
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 06 January 10 15:12 GMT (UK) »
It seems we may have some family ties.

The problem with finding the Boddon family is the name spelling, in various forms it can be Boddon/Boddan/Bodden/Boddin or Bodin, I presume it depended on the form filler.

I found Andrew Bodden (surgeon) 1841 census living in Carsphairn, born c.1806
Wife  Margaret (nee McMillan) born 1811 with 3 daughters and 1 son

Elizabeth  (daughter aged 10)
Jane          (daughter aged 7)  my maternal ancestor grandmother x 4
Robina       (daughter aged 3)
Robert        (Son aged 6 months) presumeably your great great Grandfather.

I have hit a brick wall with Andrew Boddon, however I did find his wife's Margaret's parents who were Robert McMillan (born 1776) and Elizabeth (nee Locke born 1778) living in New Bank (Mill) Kilpatrick Durham.

Robert McMillan was a Farmer (21 acres) and a Manufacturer (possibly dyer/weaving) with 5 daughters and 1 son, employing 3 men.

Elizabeth   born 1803
Jean          born  1805
Margaret (Boddan) born 1807
Janet         born 1813
Marion       born 1828
John          unknown but may be the youngest.

All name spellings are taken from Robert McMillan's Will/Testament dated 1847 and executed 1853, so I presume are the correct ones but can vary on some documents.

I cannot find any records for the deaths of Andrew or Margaret Boddon but they are mentioned in Robert McMillan's will in 1847 (he mentions that Andrew is "sometimes Surgeon at Rocketford", they seem to have disappeared by 1851. Elizabeth, Robina and Robert (aged 10) are staying with the Grandparents McMillan in the 1851 census, Jane being married, so I presume Andrew and Margaret are dead

Anyway that gives you the tie to the McMillan name and family.

All the best
Tom







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Re: Help with Andrew Boddon of Carsphairn
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 06 January 10 23:24 GMT (UK) »
Re your search for Andrew Bobben & family, I think this may be of interest to you.

Taken from the Pre 1855 MIs for Carsphain graveyard.

Andrew Bodden d 7.7.1850 aged 44yrs.
Wife Margaret McMillan d1.5.1845 aged 38yrs.
Dau Marion d 18.10.1843 aged 9mths.
Dau Marion d 23.3.1845 aged 7mths.

Hope thyis helps.  Matt
Muir,McDill/Dill,Payne,Hepburn,Ireland,Rae all in Kirkcudbrightshire.
Cotter,Liddane,Gibson all in Co Clare,Ireland.

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Re: Help with Andrew Boddon of Carsphairn
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 07 January 10 00:18 GMT (UK) »
Re your search for Andrew Bobben & family, I think this may be of interest to you.

Taken from the Pre 1855 MIs for Carsphain graveyard.

Andrew Bodden d 7.7.1850 aged 44yrs.
Wife Margaret McMillan d1.5.1845 aged 38yrs.
Dau Marion d 18.10.1843 aged 9mths.
Dau Marion d 23.3.1845 aged 7mths.

Hope thyis helps.  Matt

Thanks Matt your a star , this seems to be the correct family, the ages match my 1841 census and explain why the rest of their children are staying with grandparents in 1851.

My only problem is why the grandfather intimates Margaret being alive in his 1847 Will ? although I think the Will could have been amended and added to so the date may be irrelevant.

Thanks again
Tom

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Re: Help with Andrew Boddon of Carsphairn
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 07 January 10 15:55 GMT (UK) »
For information this appears to be the details for Margaret McMillan's parents. They are buried at plot 32 Kirkpatrick Durham graveyard.

Robert McMillan d Newbank 8.4.1853  77yrs
Widow Elizabeth Locke d Newbank 27.8.1867 80 yrs
John McMillan d 15.6.1882 72 yrs
Dau Elizabeth d Halketlaeths 16.8.1866 31 yrs
wife Janet Milligan d Trueman Place Castle Douglas 30.11. 1892 82 yrs.

Also at plot 221 there is a headstone that reads,

Erected by Robert McMillan and his wife Elizabeth Loch at Newbank In Memory of
Dau Janet d 18.7.1815  1 yr
Dau Elizabeth d 13.11.1819 16yrs
Son Robert d 25.9.1835 17yrs
G/son Alex Laurie d Newbank 28.4.1839 7yrs.

Plot 220 relates to a James Bodden (1770-1839) & family.
Plot222  relates to a Robert Bodden (1794-1844) & family.
 Rgds Matt
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