'Captain Jack' John RICHARDS

[Orielbenfro]

The family came from Mathry and lived at Torbant farm

It just may be worth a look at the following ECC of St David's wills
William Richard of Marthry 1815/31
James Richards of Marthry 1823/43
Both are freely available on the NLoW website.
I just wonder if the mrge of William Richards to Mary Owen at Marthry in 1798 may be Thomas's parents.
Rgds
Oreilbenfro
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[alan o]

Thanks they are interesting.  As John's father is Thomas so that could tie in well with the brother named in James' will.  I now need to match my Thomas to the brothers. I don't think that he is William's son as he was born abt 1788.

[Orielbenfro]

For future reference
1841 at Peicynrynydd Mathry
Thomas Richards 65 Ag Lab Yes
Mary Richards 65 – Yes
Stepin Mathry
James Richard 55 Farmer Yes
Ann Richard 55 – Yes
Farm House in the Village of Mathry
Henry(50) & Martha(35) Richards with 2 children
((In I presume another Farm house in village))
Thomas Richard 65 Farmer Yes
Living in same location as Thomas but unrelated
David Reynolds 25 Male Servant Yes
James Nicholas 15 Male Servant Yes

1841 Pen Pant St Davids
Thomas Richards 30 Ag Lab Yes
Ann Richards 30 – Yes
Mary Richards 08 – Yes
Pheby Richards 05 – Yes
Margaret Richards 03 – Yes
I pretty sure this is not yours however for your interest.
Rgds
Orielbenfro
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[LynneOz]

Hi there

The family of Thomas Richards and Ann Louisa Thomas is in my direct line. I have a handwritten tree from another researcher following this family and it shows:

The parents of Thomas were John Richards and Mary Williams. Mary Williams was the sister of Thomas Williams who adopted a daughter Mary and left her his part of the farm at Rhoslanog Fach in Mathry. He also left a small holding called Grapley to his nephew, Thomas Richards.

The family of John Richards (b 1765, Llanrhian)  and Mary (b abt 1768, Llanrhian) looked like:

Thomas Richards b 7 Mar 1788; John Richards b abt 1790; Martha Richards b abt 1792. All children were born in Llanrhian. There may have been more but I am not sure.

The parents of John Richards were David Richards (b abt 1730) and Mary Reed (b 1738). This family looked like:

William Richards (b 1762); John Richards (b 1765); Mary Richards (b 1768); David Richards (b 1772).

Mary Reed was the daughter of William Reed and Anne Owen.

Cheers

[LynneOz]

Hi there again

The family of John Richards, father of Egbert Ira, George Hargraves and Stephen Thomas is, indeed the second family for John.

My link to this family is Thomas Richards, John's older brother. It appears that both Thomas and John married sisters: Mary Bateman for Thomas and Anne Bateman for John.

John Richards, son of Thomas, married Anne Bateman, daughter of David Bateman, in Mathry Church on 29 May 1849. They had 8 children:
Mary Anne (b abt 1850); Lettice (b 1851); Dorothy (b 1854); David (b 1855); Jane (b 1858); William (b 1859); Sarah (b 1860); Elizabeth (b 1864). Anne died in Abercastle in 1869.

In 1871 John is in Abercastle listed as a widower with his two youngest daughters: Jane 12; Elizabeth 7.

John then appears to have married Amy Phillips in the Dec Q of 1873 and another 5 children appeared:
Thomas (b 1873); John Herbert (b 1875); George Hargreaves (b 1877); Stephen Thomas (b 1878); Egbert Ira (b 1881).

In 1891 Egbert appears as a pauper living in the St Thomas Workhouse. He emigrated to USA through New York on the SS Victorian in 1911 and was listed as a Horseman going to Maple Park in Dekalb County, Illinois. He returned to England in 1913 arriving in Liverpool from Quebec.

Looking through my notes, I have possible emigration records for Thomas, George and Stephen. John appears to have stayed in St Davids and there is a listing for a John Richards of the right age in Cross Square for both the 1901 and 1911 census.

Cheers

[alan o]

Thanks.  I believe Egbert must have gone abroad again as there is no death record for anyone of that name in the UK.

It is the John's first children that I am most interested in.  Jane married a Pembrokehsire miner called Alfred owen and lived in Aberdare, Merthyr.  She adopted her sister's illegitimate son George about 1897 and raised him with her family.  He was told that his mother died when he was baby but the exact details are unclear but the only likely death record that I can find is in 1906.  She died of 'paraplegia' and the death was reported by a brother John.  She is supposedly buried on the North side of St David's cathedral in Pembrokeshire.

Thank you for the help.

[Orielbenfro]

For your interest I note the following ;
Annie Florence Bateman baptised at Mathry in 1872
Ann Bateman baptised at Mathry 1837
Mary Beatrice Bateman baptised at Mathry in 1873
Mary Bateman baptised at Mathry 1846

David Bateman mrd Mary Williams at Mathry 02 Oct 1827.

David’s parents may be ;
Rowland Bateman who mrd Anne Reed at Mathry 1794

There appear to be a few interesting Bateman wills on the NLoW website.

Whilst Edbert Eira Richards was born in 1881 be was not baptised until 1886 at Llanrhian, in the same year as his brother George H, Martha Ann and Stephen Thomas Victor Richards.

Do you have a possible year of birth of Alfred Owen?

Rgds
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[alan o]

Yes I do.  he was born in 1859 in Little Newcastle, Pembrokeshire. His father was John Owen and mother wasa Harriet Miles.  He married Jane Richards in Merthyr in 1883 and died there c.1930.  He lived in Sion terrace in Aberdare.  My grandfather remembers meeting him in about 1929.

I concur that Rowland was Ann's grandfather,

[LynneOz]

Hi there

Jane Richards was born in the March Q of 1858 in Llanrhian, Pembroke. She married Alfred Owen, son of John Owen and Harriet Miles, on 11 December 1883. Their children were: John  (b 1882 in Llanrhian); Harriet Ann (b 1889 in Aberdare); Eliza Gwen (b 1891 in Aberdare); David Alfred (b 1897 in Aberdare) and Edith Owen (b 1906 in Aberdare).

Alfred and his sons John and David worked as coal miners; Harriet was a school teacher; Lizzie was a dressmaker. George Owen is listed as a nephew in 1911 and is working as a coal miner's boy. Alfred was born in Little Newcastle. Jane Owen is still alive in 1911.

Jane is 12 and living with her widower father, John Richards and sister Elizabeth, in 1871 in Abercastle. It is difficult to say where Jane was in 1881 and Elizabeth appears to be listed as Eliza, a domestic servant, working for Thomas Watkins at Trelywyd in St Davids. In 1901 Elizabeth is listed as a farm caretaker on Ramsay Island.

Of the children of John Richards and Anne Bateman:
Mary Anne Richards appears to have married Daivd Jones of Llanfysul, Cardiganshire;
Lettice Richards - don't know;
Dorothy Richards appears to have married David Owen, son of John and Harriet and brother to Alfred;
David Richards - don't know;
William Richards - don't know;
Sarah Richards - died in 1861 at about 4mths old in Abercastle;
Elizabeth Richards - you already know about.

Anne died on 29 May 1869 in Abercastle.

John then married Amy Phillips. There are entries which MAY be Thomas, John Herbert, George Hargraves and Stephen Thomas in USA. Egbert also went, saw, and left. There is also an entry indicating that Egbert went to Australia:
Mr Egbert Richards, 35, departed Sydney, Australia arrived 4 March 1918 into Plymouth aboard the SS Borda, a P&O ship.

Cheers