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Re: McAlary/McClary help re Native Place
« Reply #9 on: Monday 04 January 10 13:26 GMT (UK) »
Most likely Kilrea near Garvagh.
Now for a bit of bad news. Roman Catholic baptisms, marriages and burials for Kilrea & Desertoghill R.C. Parishes start 1846. Swatragh Parish (just south of Garvagh) has baptisms from 1887. Garvagh (Errigal Parish) has baptisms from 1846 and marriages from 1873.
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Re: McAlary/McClary help re Native Place
« Reply #10 on: Monday 04 January 10 13:33 GMT (UK) »
Can add a bit to what akanex2 has already posted.

""Coolbawn, County Drumgarra, Ireland" wonder if this could be the townland of Cuilbane (also known as Coolbane) outside Garvagh towards Kilrea? It's in Desertoghill Parish and belonged to the Worshipful Company of Ironmongers. In 1863 A. McAlister (possibly Alexander McAlister of Tirkeeran) was in  partnership with John Witherow there. Other tenants were John (now Widow) McGuigan, Bernard McNicholl, Widow Rose McNicholl, J. Craig and Samuel Campbell, John Craig, Widow Martha Shannon, Alexander McDonald, Anthony Toghill, Charles Boylan, William Mulholland, John Boylan. If this is the correct place (and I think it could be) Martha's family were either away before 1863 or perhaps she was just working and  living there at the time of her marriage.

I have just noticed something very interesting.  Martha McAlary gave her parents names on arrival in AUst in 1844 as Hugh and Anne McIlhinney (sp?).  Her death certificate gives her father's name as Hugh McIlhinnie and her mother as Nancy Shannon. I notice that in Cuilbane there is a widow Martha Shannon.  I have ignore this discrepancy in the past as maybe lack of accurate information by the informing son on the death certificate.  But maybe there is something interesting that needs to be looked.  Once again more hunting to be done.

With thanks, Anniebelle.
McDowell, Co Cavan, Co Monaghan-NSW
Davidson, Co Down-NSW
Hayes, Co Tipperary-Vic, NSW
Hayes, Co Wexford-NSW
Kennedy, Co Tipperary-Vic, NSW
McAlary, McIlhinney, Keilt, McNichol, Shannon Co Derry-Vic, NSW
Rochester, Sussex-NSW
Matthews, Kent-NSW
Lyons/Hynes Co Kildare-NSW
Grimes, Lancashire-NSW
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Seath, Kent-NSW
Long, Woolwich-NSW
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Re: McAlary/McClary help re Native Place
« Reply #11 on: Monday 04 January 10 14:05 GMT (UK) »
Just in case it does connect to your family-

1863 Ironmongers' Note on Tenants- Cuilbane
Widow Martha Shannon (35 acres _ rods 32 perches) annual rent £11 10s. Three sons, two grandchildren, two servants. Asks for lime and bricks to build the byre; also wants to repair the road. Worthy of attention.

1886 Tenants List- Cuilbane
Hugh Shannon, 35 acres 2 rods 32 perches, annual rent £9 10s

Probable death for Martha Shannon-
Martha SHANNON (age 78) death 1876 Coleraine registration district, volume 6 page 367
Probable death for (son?) Hugh Shannon-
Hugh SHANNON (age 60) death Jan./Mar.1902 Coleraine registration district volume 1 page 397
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails;t=searchable;c=1408347

1901 census will soon be online and Hugh Shannon should be listed there.

1911 census is already online and Cuilbane seems to be mis-transcribed as Guilbane. There's a William Shannon there (age 80) with a brother James (age 78)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Slaght/Guilbane/591368/
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Re: McAlary/McClary help re Native Place
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Re: McAlary/McClary help re Native Place
« Reply #13 on: Monday 04 January 10 17:51 GMT (UK) »
Good news!

Brockaboy townland, Errigal Parish (Garvagh is split between Errigal and Desertoghill)- Lease dated 1st March 1824 for 21 years and the Life of Prince William Frederick Duke of Gloucester. Hugh McIlheney 7 acres 1 rod 20 perches, 1/2 of No.7 north of the road (measurements in Irish Plantation acres)

Will post more later.
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Re: McAlary/McClary help re Native Place
« Reply #14 on: Monday 04 January 10 21:23 GMT (UK) »
More good details which may provide clues but make searching for McIlhinneys much more complicated.

Griffith's Valuation for Brockaghboy townland shows a James McIlhenny, jun. (12 acres 0 rods 0 perches) and a James McIlhenny, sen. (12 acres 2 rods 30 perches) as tenants of Lady Garvagh- both have house, off. & land.

In the townland of Moyletra Toy (Desertoghill Parish) are the Neal, Daniel and John McLary mentioned earlier.

Now for the complicated bit:
From PRONI Will Extracts- "Probate of the Will of Laurence Hegarty late of Brockabuoy County Londonderry Farmer who died 27 August 1906 granted at Londonderry to Daniel O'Kane (McIlhinney) and Daniel Hegarty (Andy) Farmers."
What this indicates is that a Daniel O'Kane's nickname was McIlhenney! There were so many families of the same name in the area known as The Glen that nicknames were used.

1911 census in Brockaboy are 2 spinspter sisters- Bridget and Susan:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Slaght/Brockaghboy/591443/
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Re: McAlary/McClary help re Native Place
« Reply #15 on: Monday 04 January 10 21:40 GMT (UK) »
What a wonderful lot of information to wake up to this morning.  I can't tell you how much  I appreciate your interest and efforts.

Interestingly the 1911 Census shows Neil living at The Grove.  Daniel, Neil's son, Martha & their children were very successful in Aust.  They became large landowners & graziers.  Daniel and Martha called a property they owned "Grove Lodge" and it is there they were buried in 1889 and 1895.  I will spent time following up all the information provided. 

I am so glad to see evidence of the existence of McIlhinneys in the Parish.  It looks as though Martha's family may be more complicated to work out.  I will enjoy trying.

Many thanks, Anniebelle.
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Davidson, Co Down-NSW
Hayes, Co Tipperary-Vic, NSW
Hayes, Co Wexford-NSW
Kennedy, Co Tipperary-Vic, NSW
McAlary, McIlhinney, Keilt, McNichol, Shannon Co Derry-Vic, NSW
Rochester, Sussex-NSW
Matthews, Kent-NSW
Lyons/Hynes Co Kildare-NSW
Grimes, Lancashire-NSW
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Seath, Kent-NSW
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Re: McAlary/McClary help re Native Place
« Reply #16 on: Monday 04 January 10 21:44 GMT (UK) »
I have a friend living up the Glen who might have heard the surname McElhinney. It's almost 10 pm here in Garvagh so too late to ring her but will see if I can get hold of her tomorrow. 
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Re: McAlary/McClary help re Native Place
« Reply #17 on: Monday 04 January 10 22:16 GMT (UK) »
Thank you.  Shall look forward to hearing more.  Anniebelle
McDowell, Co Cavan, Co Monaghan-NSW
Davidson, Co Down-NSW
Hayes, Co Tipperary-Vic, NSW
Hayes, Co Wexford-NSW
Kennedy, Co Tipperary-Vic, NSW
McAlary, McIlhinney, Keilt, McNichol, Shannon Co Derry-Vic, NSW
Rochester, Sussex-NSW
Matthews, Kent-NSW
Lyons/Hynes Co Kildare-NSW
Grimes, Lancashire-NSW
Hall, Essex/London-NSW
Seath, Kent-NSW
Long, Woolwich-NSW
Meyer, Heist, Germany-Vic
Goldsmith, Gordon, Wall, Co Wexford-Vic,NSW
Fraser, Hassard, Fermanagh, St Helens, Lancashire-Vic