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Re: Fortescue Baulking Grange
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 14 January 10 05:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi KN,

Thanks for all your interest and help thus far!  I rally appreciate you taking an interest in this.

It would be great if I could tied the Baulking Fortescues into the ones in Buckland / Longworth - as it is not so far away from Baulking.

The ones you found in Longworth are very very tempting - seems like there was a a Francis and Elizabeth Fortescue having children (a daughter at least) in 1697 around the same time my ancestors were in Baulking.  I suppose it is possible that they could be the same couple - and possibly had a child in Longworth and then moved to Baulking and had more children quite a bit later?  And perhaps he was buried back in Longworth as he doesnt seem to have been buried in Baulking (not in the church records anyway).

Is it possible to get details of the burial inscriptions at Longworth?  (Perhaps they can add something useful?)

However - the Elizabeth in Longworth doesnt seem to get a mention in his will that he made in 1743.  Perhaps she had died already?

The will also doesnt mention a wife - which indicated that she had died before 1743 - which would also fit nicely with the Elizabeth Fortescue of Longworth who died in 1740 . . .

But (and here is a big sticking point) according to the will - there is a note on it saying that he died in 1769 - and the will was proved in 1779.

I have attached the family group sheet I have compiled thus far with my reasearch notes.

I will scan and attach the will as well when I get a chance.

Any other ideas greatfully accepted!

kind regards,

John


Thatcher - Uffington, Berkshire
Fortescue - Baulking, Bekshire
Harding - Cookham, Berkshire
Brown - Eastwick and Netteswell Essex
Swaffield - St Helier, Jersey
Limer - Uttoxeter, Staffordshire
Lade - Sussex
Appoo / Ah Poo - Bendigo Australia, China

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Re: Fortescue Baulking Grange
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 14 January 10 22:19 GMT (UK) »
Here are the otehr pages of the Will . .
Thatcher - Uffington, Berkshire
Fortescue - Baulking, Bekshire
Harding - Cookham, Berkshire
Brown - Eastwick and Netteswell Essex
Swaffield - St Helier, Jersey
Limer - Uttoxeter, Staffordshire
Lade - Sussex
Appoo / Ah Poo - Bendigo Australia, China

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Re: Fortescue Baulking Grange
« Reply #11 on: Friday 15 January 10 18:03 GMT (UK) »
Hi

I think the Longworth chap might be your guy.  I just checked the 1727 Berkshire Poll Book (Eureka Partnership transcript).  Under voters in Longworth it gives Francis Fortescue,  abode Balkin (sic),  so it looks as though the land that qualified him to vote was in Longworth although at time he lived at Balkin

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Re: Fortescue Baulking Grange
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 16 January 10 11:25 GMT (UK) »
Well done DebbieG! 

Since a link to Longworth has been established I thought that you might like the following:

in the Longworth parish records Fortescue is listed with Forsten (see Elizabeth in earlier post) and there is a Foscue as well.  It seems to me that Fortescue could easily be written down as Foscue. So here are some more for your colllection.

Forsten
John baptised July 1, 1700 s/o Francis & Elizabeth
Mary, baptised 1702, d/o Francis & Elizabeth
Elizabeth, buried Feb 4 1696 d/o Francis
John, buried Sep 9 1701, s/o Francis, not worth 600

Foscue
Francis, buried March 18, 1704, s/o Francis, Chimeney in Bampton.

I'm now off to visit the Bampton records!

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Re: Fortescue Baulking Grange
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 16 January 10 11:54 GMT (UK) »
Hmmmm, nothing in the Bampton or Witney St Mary records for your Fortescues.

The Berkshire Burial Index has about 8 references to various Francis'.  Including a reference to Speen - does anyone else have PRs for Speen for a quick look up for Fortescues please.

There is another branch of the family using Besselsleigh church - a Francis Fortesue s/o John, baptised later in 1700s.

Also would it be worth a quick check in the Oxfordshire Marriage Index please for any likely candidates?

Just surmising here - it seems that Fortescue is not a common name, but that references to the name Francis are frequent among those few listings.  Might there have been a particularly notable/popular/famous/infamous Francis maybe a couple of generations back that all the branches of the family felt that they should name their children after?
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Re: Fortescue Baulking Grange
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 17 January 10 23:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi KN / Debbie and Don (via seperate email),

Just saw your replies - great detective work!

Thanks again for your assistance with this - esepcially the Longworth voter's information that seems to definately tie the 2 Francis' together!

I think we are definately on to something here that sounds very exciting as I should be able to get this family back another generation . . . .

From your info below and the seperate email from Don - and ignoring the death date pencilled onto the will (I assume solicitors dont always have all the facts at their fingertips!) we can assume the following (and also ignoring the "Forstens" for now):

There were a Francis and Elizabeth Fortescue living in Longworth that also had land in Baulking and lived there as well for some period of time. 

They had the following children at Longworth:

Elizabeth Fortescue ch 13 Feb 1697    parents : Francis Fortescue
Francis Fortescue    ch    1 Jul   1700    parents: Fran Foscue and Elizabeth 
Mary Foscue             ch  16 Aug 1702   parents; Francis Foscue and Elixabeth             

(and possibly another daughter - Frances - who is mentioned in the will - and who fits nicely between the first 3 and the next 2)

Then it appears that the first son (Francis) dies at Longworth as an infant

Francis, buried March 18, 1704, s/o Francis, Chimeney in Bampton.

Then it appears that they had another couple of children at Baulking (registered at Uffington - same parish)

Francis Fortescue     ch  10 Apr  1709   parents  Francis Fortescue
Sarah Fortescue        ch  25 Oct 1713    parents: Francis Fortescue

(This next Francis is my ancestor and lives a healthy and long life, dying in 1793)

The parents (Francis and Elizabeth) are buried back in Longworth as follows:

1740 Aug 13, Elizabeth Fortescue
1755 Feb 28, Francis Fortescue

Assuming they started having children around 1697 - they may have been married around 1696 - which means they may have been born around 1675 which would make Francis about 80 when he died and Elizabth about 65.

So it all seems to fit rather nicely!

KN - FYI - Yes Fortescue is not a particularly common name - and all lines seem to come ulimately from the first ancestor as described in Don's Fortescue Web site (www.fortescue.org)

"Richard Le Fort was at the Battle of Hastings in 1066. The legend is that he saved William, the Duke of Normandy, by use of his shield. He then adopted the name Fort Escu ( Strong shield ) and returned to France to found the French Fortescu Branch. His son Adam, who also fought at the Battle of Hastings, settled in South Devon near Modbury. All English Fortescues are descended from him."

The name "Francis" does seem to ve very prominany in my libe - with most generations using thename for the oldest son.  Just struggling to tie my line into the main family branches that Don has compiled on his web site.

Does anyone know if the cemetary inscriptions at Longworth are available?  They may give us some other pointers into where they came from or what they were doing?

kind regards and thanks again for your interest!

John

Thatcher - Uffington, Berkshire
Fortescue - Baulking, Bekshire
Harding - Cookham, Berkshire
Brown - Eastwick and Netteswell Essex
Swaffield - St Helier, Jersey
Limer - Uttoxeter, Staffordshire
Lade - Sussex
Appoo / Ah Poo - Bendigo Australia, China

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Re: Fortescue Baulking Grange
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 04 February 10 08:06 GMT (UK) »
Dear John

Have checked the Longworth MIs, (thankyou YattonHarry!), but there is no reference to the Fortescue family.

However thought that you might like to see the following.  It's from Jackson's Oxford Journal.

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Re: Fortescue Baulking Grange
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 04 February 10 22:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi KN (and YattonHarry),

Thank you very much for checking the Longworth Cemerary inscriptions!

I was very hopefull that they would shed some light on this couple and where they came from.  I wonder why they wouldn't have had a grave stone in the cemetary?  Perhaps it was damaged / lost?

Thanks also for the article from the JOJ.

That would be in reference to a later ancestor - also a Francis Fortescue - who was married to Jemima Wicks, and who died on 12th July 1824.

So I gather I am back to the drawing board on how to make the next step back - I will keep chipping  away to see if there is any way to connect back to the main trunk.

kind regards,

John







Thatcher - Uffington, Berkshire
Fortescue - Baulking, Bekshire
Harding - Cookham, Berkshire
Brown - Eastwick and Netteswell Essex
Swaffield - St Helier, Jersey
Limer - Uttoxeter, Staffordshire
Lade - Sussex
Appoo / Ah Poo - Bendigo Australia, China

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Re: Fortescue Baulking Grange
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 23 March 10 04:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi KN,

Thanks again for all your help in the past.

Just wondering if you still have access to the Longworth Parish records?

If so - would it be possible if you could do a quick check to see if there are any marriage references for a Francis Fortescue and Elizabeth around 1690 - 1697?

Thanks in advance!

regards,

John


Thatcher - Uffington, Berkshire
Fortescue - Baulking, Bekshire
Harding - Cookham, Berkshire
Brown - Eastwick and Netteswell Essex
Swaffield - St Helier, Jersey
Limer - Uttoxeter, Staffordshire
Lade - Sussex
Appoo / Ah Poo - Bendigo Australia, China