Ilegitimate births

[Elsa-Mary]

 Hello

Having searched Co Tyrone,for birth of grandfather Alexander Robinson come up with nothing that fits.( not even on 1911 census )
Alexander on his death cert was 60 years old ( died in Liverpool )
According to marriage cert in  Auchnacloy, 1915 he was illegitimate and minor ,so that would make birth about 1898 ish?
I cannot find any Alexander H   Robinson that was born in Ireland never mind Tyrone!!!!

Anyone have any idea what, or where I can try to progress,or am flogging a dead horse

Elsa-Mary

[aghadowey]

The 1901 census is due to be added to National Archives website shortly which may help you find Alexander.
Any idea what the middle initial 'H' stands for? could be a clue to his birth name and Robinson was a name that was added later.

[Elsa-Mary]

Hi,
Thank you for your reply Agadowey,

Looking forward to 1901 census coming out,it may help enormously,with some of the other rellies as well,!

Some years ago,I was fortunate enough  to have a  a friend who made a quick look at the 1901 for Tyrone,and he informed me that there were only 4 Alexander Robinsons in in Co TYRONE AT THAT POINT.
TWO OF THEM WERE FAR TOO OLD!!,
The other two were 9 years old ( he lived in townland of Mallabeny,Clogher. but he had parents John and Mary Robinson))and  a 4 year old.
At that time had I  absolutely no other info on Alexander Harold Robinsonat all.
It was only after receiving marriage cert that I  discovered that he was a minor and illegitimate-so that discounted the 9 year old!!

The 4 year old looked a good bet-but by then had lost touch with my friend in Belfast.

Looking at 1911 census,any Alexander I have found of required age seems to have parents-but definately cannot find an Alexander Harold Robinson at all.
I even searched whole of Ireland.

By the way,only discovered his middle name,after eventually finding his death in Liverpool,just over 6 mths ago-I had been told that he moved to Liverpool after split with my grandmother.
I have a picture of him in Police uniform-he became a Sergeant in the RUC BY 1926.

Many Thanks
Elsa-Mary

[kingskerswell]

Hi,
 
    There is a 15 year old Alexander in the 1911 census living with his mother who does state that she had been married for 18 Years!! However they lived in Moore St. Aughnacloy and you have to remember that the age of consent in those days was 21.

Regards

[Elsa-Mary]

Hi, Kingkerswell,

Is that not the Alexander James???

Elsa-Mary

[kingskerswell]

Hi,

Alexander James lived in the townland of Drumowen, I can see an Alexander who lived in Moore Street.
  On the census enter Alexander Robinson, Tyrone and the age of 15. It shows both.

Regards

[Elsa-Mary]

Thanks for that kingkerswell,
I must have missed it

It may well be the Alexander I am looking for-still a bit worried that he would have been born 2 yrs earlier-BUT,MAYBE DEATH  CERT info out as well.

Many thanks,must have had a senior moment.

Elsa-Mary

[rob elliott]

Elsa-Mary,

There is an Alex Robinson who signed the Ulster Covenant [1912] in Aughnacloy.

There is also an Alexander Robinson listed on Aughnacloy Presbyterian Church 1st War Memorial Roll of Honour. It gives his regiment as RIF. In Tyrone i would assume this to be Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers.
[ In Armagh this would be Royal Irish Fusiliers].

There is a medal card for an Alexander Robinson, 28511 royal Inniskilling Fusiliers, enlisted 17/1/1916, discharged 11/9/1916, so he may not have got overseas.
Although we can't be sure this is your Alexander i can find no others that my match.

Regarding his Police service i am inclined to think he may have been a 'B' special, which was basically a part time Polceman, albeit an armed one.
If he rose to the rank of Sgt he could have well have been an 'A' special attached to the RUC, this would be more full time.
Either way if he was in the Specials he could serve in the village he was born.
Aughnacloy had a 'B' special barracks [usually a wooden hut].
In the 1920's there was a lot of trouble off the IRA in this part of Tyrone and the 'B' Specials were active all along the border area.
I may be able to tell from his uniform if he was a 'B' man or regular RUC.

I do not think the main 'B' special service records have survived but there are many note books and lists that have names of men, although i am not familiar with Co tyrone. There are a few in the Public Record Office, belfast.

Rob

[Brendan Joseph]

Elsa-Mary,

I f he was illegitimate, try and view his original birth/baptismal record, sometimes there was a note on the record which was not recorded in civil registration. I have seen notes like "John x presumed to be the father" this was recorded by the Priest/Rev etc.

Brendan