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1841 census Llangyfelach Parish Clase
« on: Tuesday 26 January 10 22:04 GMT (UK) »
Hello  I was searching for Thomas Thomas about 13 because I realized he was missing from his parents household when I found them earlier.  I was reading it page by page on anc*** and the same place names kept being repeated. I thought these were house or farm names but now am wondering if they were street or rows and the census taker was zig zaging.  Does this make sense?  Tne only one I remember was Tir Penney.
     My 12 year old Thomas was with Phillip Richard and family with a few other ag labs at Pont Pren.  His parents were also at Pont Pren with the Rogers family but 20 pages apart  Young Thomas was on page 1 and there was no previous page on the images.
   Would really like to better understand the locations in Clase.   Thank you for any help    LizR
CLARK Waite Ashley Gravett  Vousden Lilbourn
Daniels Marten Craft Beale Rye Sussex,
Morgan, Pranch, Rees, Thomas Llantrisant, St Fagans, St Lythans Glamorgan
Howell Glamorgan, Pembroke
Davies Glamorgan Merthyr and Llangafelach
Perkin, Beynon  Pembroke
Grey David Thomas Williams Llangyfelach Parish Glamorgan

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Re: 1841 census Llangyfelach Parish Clase
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 18 April 10 17:26 BST (UK) »
Hi
I am at a lost to what you are saying. Have you found Thomas on 1841 census?
When you say you found him with his parents when was that?
cheers cardiff ???
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Re: 1841 census Llangyfelach Parish Clase
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 18 April 10 21:38 BST (UK) »
Sorry  I have found Thomas Jr. and Thomas Sr.  My question is about the enumerators route.  Place names keep being repeated so I am thinking that he is going along say Llangyfelach Rd and then doing a household on a side street like Tir Penney and then back to Llangyfelach main road and back to a side street but without a map from way back I don't know how the street and or farms were arranged.
    I am also looking for a leasehold called Caeradog.  Margaret Davies lived here in 1851.  It is the same leasehold that Morgan Grey,  Margaret's grandfather left to her father Evan Grey in 1818.  3 lives lease and then it ends??
 Have found the other places that people lived on a modern map  at least as a street name.
   Thank you so much for taking the trouble to reply.  I am trying hard to communicate clearly.    LizR
     
CLARK Waite Ashley Gravett  Vousden Lilbourn
Daniels Marten Craft Beale Rye Sussex,
Morgan, Pranch, Rees, Thomas Llantrisant, St Fagans, St Lythans Glamorgan
Howell Glamorgan, Pembroke
Davies Glamorgan Merthyr and Llangafelach
Perkin, Beynon  Pembroke
Grey David Thomas Williams Llangyfelach Parish Glamorgan

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Re: 1841 census Llangyfelach Parish Clase
« Reply #3 on: Monday 19 April 10 11:25 BST (UK) »
I think it might be Tir Penry rather than Tir Penney but I stand to be corrected without seeing the census page or a map.

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Re: 1841 census Llangyfelach Parish Clase
« Reply #4 on: Monday 19 April 10 11:40 BST (UK) »
If you're using Ancestry, click on district no. above the census return screen & then on view description of enumeration district, and there should be a description of the walk.


Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: 1841 census Llangyfelach Parish Clase
« Reply #5 on: Monday 19 April 10 16:55 BST (UK) »
Thank you osprey  Really good to know
That was from memory.but many place names repeated so cant be house names. Thanks for reply.  The old maps version of Llangyfelach Parish is not very clear.  Would love a map before the A48 and all the farms were still there.  john Davies was suposed to have a forge at the Plough and harrow.  Thank you both for your replies  LizR
CLARK Waite Ashley Gravett  Vousden Lilbourn
Daniels Marten Craft Beale Rye Sussex,
Morgan, Pranch, Rees, Thomas Llantrisant, St Fagans, St Lythans Glamorgan
Howell Glamorgan, Pembroke
Davies Glamorgan Merthyr and Llangafelach
Perkin, Beynon  Pembroke
Grey David Thomas Williams Llangyfelach Parish Glamorgan

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Re: 1841 census Llangyfelach Parish Clase
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 24 April 10 17:18 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Are you sure  young Thomas  is  at an address called pont pren? I've looked at the images. Thomas is at an address  with  the Phillip  Richard family that reads  as penyfedw to me ( Peny-Y-fedw) . Some of the other addresses next to your family  are Ty canol, Bwllfa to name just a couple

They are not house names but area names within the  then hamlet of Clase. 

 Most  of those places , addresses are still there today , they are under Ynystawe
Hope that helps
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Purdy-Loughconnelly
McNeill-Loughconnelly & Broughshane
Graham -Derry,Ballymoney,Carrickfergus & Ballymena
White-Broughshane
Boyd-Ballymoney
Lloyd Llangfiangel ar arth(Pencader,Llainwen)
Roberts,Lloyd, Hopkin, Davies Carmarthenshire
Parker Oystermouth/Mumbles.
Carlsen (also called Carlson & Karlson )B in Former Russia (Finland) & Swansea S.Wales.
Butler family Llangyfelach (Clydach & Ynystawe)
Quarman Bitton & S.Wales

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Re: 1841 census Llangyfelach Parish Clase
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 24 April 10 21:56 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much.  That's what I thought but hated to assume.  Have several Family that say they are from Penygors in the 1840's but they weren't farmers so couldn't be a farm and they were too many to be one house.  Thanks for clarification on Thomas Thomas residence.     LizR
CLARK Waite Ashley Gravett  Vousden Lilbourn
Daniels Marten Craft Beale Rye Sussex,
Morgan, Pranch, Rees, Thomas Llantrisant, St Fagans, St Lythans Glamorgan
Howell Glamorgan, Pembroke
Davies Glamorgan Merthyr and Llangafelach
Perkin, Beynon  Pembroke
Grey David Thomas Williams Llangyfelach Parish Glamorgan

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Re: 1841 census Llangyfelach Parish Clase
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 25 April 10 01:45 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Ps
I forgot to say that Bwllfa (which is one of the addresses on the images) -  is classed as Clase higher on some of  the 1800's censuses,  it's ecclesiastical district is Clydach st Johns.

Some of my hubbies family lived in Bwllfa in the Millers arms  - If you google "Millers Arms" Ynystawe . The old pub is still there today on Clydach road -ie  part of what we know as Clydach road today was in the Bwllfa area in the 1800's).

For an old  map of the areas on that census image:
Go to old maps  and  put Ynystawe in the search box , it will then give you one option in the drop down box "Ynystawe Glamorgan" click that .  In the search results  you will have three images -  click on number 3 image  the 1900 Glamorganshire map ( the 1900 gives you clear detail  unlike than the earlier ones ) , it will show you the areas that you are intrested in - Bwllfa is in the middle  http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html

On the far left  of the map is Pen-rhiwgwysfa ( another  one of Thomas's neighbours  on the census image that I noticed 

Kind regards:)
Purdy-Loughconnelly
McNeill-Loughconnelly & Broughshane
Graham -Derry,Ballymoney,Carrickfergus & Ballymena
White-Broughshane
Boyd-Ballymoney
Lloyd Llangfiangel ar arth(Pencader,Llainwen)
Roberts,Lloyd, Hopkin, Davies Carmarthenshire
Parker Oystermouth/Mumbles.
Carlsen (also called Carlson & Karlson )B in Former Russia (Finland) & Swansea S.Wales.
Butler family Llangyfelach (Clydach & Ynystawe)
Quarman Bitton & S.Wales

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