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American federal census lookup please . Elizabeth Leather
« on: Monday 08 February 10 23:37 GMT (UK) »
Hello
Would anyone be so kind as to look up the census records from 1910 onwards for my ancestor Elizabeth Leather. born circa 1889/90. Born in england and probably living in Massachusetts.
She may have married a man by the surname De marre ( any details of a marriage would also be brilliant ) and ended up in Montreal.
I also have found a document on Ancestry, which is ' locked', regarding the Boston Passenger arrivals of an Elizabeth Leather... could this be my ancestor?
Any help would be appreciated, as I have been trying for some time to find out what happened to her, after leaving the workhouse in England! A better life in the states.
kind regards
Hobbyhorse


ps her father was called Joseph, if this helps!

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Re: American federal census lookup please . Elizabeth Leather
« Reply #1 on: Monday 08 February 10 23:52 GMT (UK) »


Hi

Boston Pass List shows Elizabeth LEATHER as follows....

SS Saxonia dept Liverpool England 17th April 1906 arr Boston 26th April 1906
LEATHER Elizabeth 17 years Female Single Domestic ( occupation )
Able to read and write
Sister paid fare
Never been in the USA before
Name and address of person joining on arrival
Mrs BEDFORD
34 Chelmsford Road Laurence??

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Re: American federal census lookup please . Elizabeth Leather
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 09 February 10 00:00 GMT (UK) »

The USA Census for 1910 has this Elizabeth that might be yours...

1910 Census United States of America
Methuen Precinct 2, Essex, Massachusetts
Roll T624_586 Page 18A, Enumeration District 424, Image 510

In the household of Joseph and Gertrude BIRKS

LEATHER Elizabeth Boarder Female White 30 Single born England occupation hard to read... might be shoe? or shop?
Parents both born England
Arrived 1906

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Re: American federal census lookup please . Elizabeth Leather
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 09 February 10 02:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi, just to update Karenlee's good find, blowing image up it looks like age is recorded as 20 and occ. is "Spooler" at "woolen mill"... popular in Mass during this era.

Nick
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Re: American federal census lookup please . Elizabeth Leather
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 09 February 10 02:53 GMT (UK) »
Oh dear.  Work already done.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,400471.0.html


This is a longshot !! It is also a distraction from the information you wanted but may be linked because this could be Elizabeth's sister. (hopefully) It may help you later. You also mentioned she may have ended up in Montreal.

You mentioned that Elizabeths father was Joseph - so I wonder if this is Joseph Leather born 1843 Northwich. Cheshire. Married To Mary. Daughter Elizabeth had a sister called Ada Leather who also went to USA about 1900 and married Fred Ball Bedford 9 Aug 1905 in Metheun. Essex. Massachusetts. In 1910 they were in Salem, Rockingham, New Hampshire with 2 children Florrie about 3 and Phillis just over 1 year old.  Then husband Fred goes to Canada and Ada follows 7 Oct 1912 with 2 children (Flora and Frank born 1910 but no Phyllis).
Ada and Fred are then on the Canada Census of Manitoba and Saskatchewan 1916 Edmonton East, Alberta with Fred B Bedford  32 Ada Bedford  33 Florrie Bedford  9 Phyllis Bedford  7 Frank E Bedford  5 Burnice Bedford  2
Ada died in Summerland. British Columbia in 15 Nov 1954.
Fred died in British Columbia in 17 Feb1960. Born 7 Aug 1884 Huddersfield.

Hope this is the correct connection for you.  ;D
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Re: American federal census lookup please . Elizabeth Leather
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 09 February 10 11:08 GMT (UK) »
Hello
Thanks for the wonderful information. The Boston passenger Elizabeth, is definately the right one, as the Mrs Bedford, meeting her is her sister!
Thanks for taking the trouble to look.
The census Elizabeth hopefully is the right one, as long as the age is 20. Blown up image seems to confirm this. So this is also fantastic!
With regards to the information about Ada, this is her sister. The request for help was posted by myself, a few weeks ago. The Mrs Bedford is Ada.

Would any one be able to locate a marriage for Elizabeth, probably in Massechusetts? It would be so nice to know what happened to her

Also would anyone know why people living in Massachusetts, from Britain ended up in Canada! Was there some sort of incentive? It seems like a long way to travel, after one long journey already from Britain!
Thanks for all your help
Hobbyhorse

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Re: American federal census lookup please . Elizabeth Leather
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 10 February 10 20:51 GMT (UK) »
Ths has been edited a few times to add new information (in boldface) and keep it in one place!

Hi Hobbyhorse: You are very lucky that we are snowed in today where I live on the East Coast of the U.S. I was avoiding more productive work, and was about to suggest that you e-mail the city clerks of Lawrence and Methuen, Massachusetts to see if they could provide information on a possible marriage of Elizabeth Leather.

But I decided to look first at the U.S. censuses for the period in question to see if I could find anyone named De Marre in that area. So I went to the FamilySearch Pilot website, run by the LDS Church, to look at the censuses for free. I predict that as soon as you finish reading this post you'll want to go there, too. So here is the link: http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=0.

Corrected: At any rate: Elizabeth Leather married Napoleon Demers on May 28, 1914.  The marriage was registered in Methuen, Mass. on May 22, 1914, but it seems to have taken place in Lawrence, Mass. (The two cities border on each, about 25 miles northwest of Boston, and Napoleon Demers birthplace of Haverhill, Mass. also borders on Lawrence).

You can actually see the marriage registration book on the FamilySearch website. When you go the above web address, wait until it loads, then click on "Browse our collections" (under the search boxes). On the next page, click on the map of the U.S. and Canada, then scroll down and click on Massachusetts State Marriage Records, 1841-1915.

You can search by name. Elizabeth's marriage is No. 53, near the bottom of the register page. You can zoom in on, print, and save a copy of the record page.

Unfortunately, her sister Ada married in 1905, and that marriage is not covered in the records that are online (mostly 1906-1915). But I dd find the information for Ada's marriage in another index. It is

                      Town   Year      Volume   Page   
Leather   Ada          Methuen   1905   554            559   
Bedford   Fred Ball   Methuen   1905   554            559

You can contact the City of Methuen (for possibly more information)  through the "Contact Us" link at the top of the city's web page at http://www.cityofmethuen.net/index.php/home-mainmenu-1.html

I could not locate Napoleon Demers in the 1900 census (which is also on the FamilySearch site) in Haverhill or Methuen or Lawrence. Perhaps someone can search the 1910 census for him or family.

The reason Elizabeth ended up in Canada is probably because Napoleon's family had emigrated to the U.S. from Canada at some point. There was a very nasty textile strike in 1912 in Lawrence (famously called the Bread and Roses Strike), and the bad blood might have lasted well after the strike. That might have prompted them to go to Canada. French Canadians in Massachusetts were simply another immigrant group to be exploited.

Added: Elizabeth's (and hence Ada's) parents' full names, including mother's maiden name, appear in the marriage register.

Added: Father was Joseph; name of mother appears to be Mary Coster on the Methuen register..

Added much later: There are two entries in the Massachusetts Marriage Index for Elizabeth Leather and Napoleon Demers. One is the marriage register in Methuen; the other is a marriage registration page in Lawrence, where the marriage took place. On the Lawrence register, Elizabeth's mother is Mary Foster.

Added still later: Could it be mere coincidence or is it possible that Elizabeth Leather had a forbear named Elizabeth Leather who married a man named Charles Egerton and emigrated from England to Lawrence, Mass? I mention this because (1) Ada and Elizabeth had an aunt, Sarah Egerton, in Lawrence when they emigrated and (2) there is an Elizabeth Leather (married name Egerton) on the Massachusetts Marriage Index who has two children, Ellen and Herbert Egerton, whose marriages--1909 and 1911--were registered in Lawrence.

Regards,
John   :o :o :o
ENGLAND (all Yorkshire but one)
SLATER: Ovenden, Halifax, and Massachusetts
DOBSON, LONGBOTTOM: Thornton (Bradford)
DRURY: Darton, Halifax, and Massachusetts
NEVIL(LE): Wigan (Lancs.), Darton
MEGSON: Dewsbury, Ossett
GARSIDE: Woolley, West Bretton

SCOTLAND
ROBERT HENDRY: b. 1856, Who-knows-where-shire, Scotland; 1882 to US
DEMPSTER, HOUSTON: Lesmahagow, Glasgow, and Massachusetts
GALBRAITH, MEIKLE: Kirkmichael, Ayr.; Hamilton, Glasgow, and Massachusetts

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Re: American federal census lookup please . Elizabeth Leather
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 10 February 10 21:20 GMT (UK) »
Great detective work by John.

A couple of possibility's :-

1920 Haverhill Ward 5, Essex, Massachusetts .
Napoleon Demers 27 Born 1893 Masscahusetts. Father Nova Scotia Mother Canada .
Elisabeth Demers 27 says born 1893 England. Immigration 1902
Just above them on the census are Paul, Henrietta Garsein and stepson Wilfred Demers. 21 years old
The name of his mother on the marriage was Henrietta Crotte !!!


1930 Salem, Rockingham, New Hampshire
Napoleon Demers 38 Age at marriage 21 years.   Elizabeth Demers 35 Age at marriage 18
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Re: American federal census lookup please . Elizabeth Leather
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 10 February 10 21:44 GMT (UK) »
It seems as if Napoleons father has died/divorced and this could be his mother and new husband in 1910 Haverhill Ward 5, Essex, Massachusetts. It states M2 on the scan and they have been married for 6 years. No Napoleon on this one though. Spelling of the surname slightly different as well.
Paul Garcin 38 Henrietta Garcin 36 Anna Demas 15 Flora Demas 13 Wilfred Demas 12
 
 
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