LEWIS - Llanddewi

[Dannemois]

On the 1851 census for Llanddewi, Arbroath Village, Cardigan [H0107/2484/48/20 I have the following family:
Evan Lewis head 41;
Jane, wife, 41;
Anne, daur, 15;
John, son, 13;
Evan, son, 11;
Thomas, son, 8, all born Llanddewi except Jane who was born Cardinganshire.  I don’t have any other details, occupations etc.

I wonder if someone could do a look-up on the 1861 census for the family; I’m hoping there will be a ‘Catherine’ listed.

Cheers, Roy

[osprey]

Sorry, Roy, can't see them in 1861 in Llanddewi Aberarth or 1841 either. From the 1851, Evan was a mariner and Jane's place of birth is given as Llanllwchaiarn,

There are baptisms in IGI batch C080781 Llanddewi Aberarth for children of Evan Lewis & Jane
Anne bp 11/12/1835
Evan 21/2/1849
Thomas 21/2/1849

What are the details of the Catherine you're looking for? When & where was she born?

[Dannemois]

Hi Osprey
A bit of a story this one.  Below is the entry I placed on the Lancashire board asking help to locate “Aunt- Mrs J Heywood @ 17 Alton Street”.

On my grandfather’s enlistment papers dated 1893, he listed as next of kin “Aunt, Mrs J Heywood [Haywood]? Residing at 17 Alton Street, Queens Park, Manchester”.  Can I please ask help to locate this person on the 1891 census?

Details below are as they emerged from the topic starter above.

1901@ 17 Alton Street Manchester [RG13 3754/16/23]
John Hayward 55 van driver b Westbury Shropshire
Catherine 55 wife b Cardigan Cardiganshire
John R 25 son van driver b Manchester
Emma 18 dau b ditto
Alice M 16 dau b ditto
Henry R 13 son b ditto
Margaret M 10 dau b ditto
 
Same family in 1891 @ 12 Leonard Terrace,Ardwick,Manchester[RG12 3165/104/8]
There’s also Elizabeth L 13 daur, bookbinder
Mary A 18 daur
Hannah 11 daur and Margaret was unnamed as she was only 2 weeks old

1881 Census: @ 2 & 3 Wright St, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Source:FHL Film 1341950/PRO Ref RG11/Piece 3980/Folio 93/Page 25
John HAYWARD, head, 34, provision dealer, Oswestry, Shropshire
Catherine HAYWARD, wife, 34, Wales
Mary Ann HAYWARD, daur, 8, scholar, Manchester, Lancashire
John Richard HAYWARD, son, 5, scholar, Manchester, Lancashire
Elizabeth Lewis HAYWARD, daur, 3, scholar, Manchester, Lancashire
Hannah HAYWARD, daur, 11 mths, Manchester, Lancashire, England

Marriages Dec 1/4 1871 
Hayward  John        Manchester  8d 738   
Lewis  Catharine        Manchester  8d 738   

Burial
John Hayward/Catherine Hayward nee lewis are buried in Phillips park cemetery Manchester
John buried 28 July 1924, Age  78
Catherine buried 11 Nov 1929, Age 83
In the non-conformist section.
Grave number: B 731

Finally I located this entry on freeBMD
Births Dec 1845   
Lewis  Catherine     Tregaron  27 70

Hence my query on the Lewis family, hope you can follow all this, Roy

[osprey]

this could be Catherine in 1871

Brooklands Rd, Sale RG10/3684 folio 139 pg 43
William Shawcross head mar 53 retired merchant b. Manchester
Mary H wife 35 b. Southport
Ada dau 14 b. Manchester
Martha Hamilton servant 18 housemaid b. Altrincham
Margaret A Donoghue servant 27 housemaid b. Ireland
Catherine Lewis servant 24 cook b. Cardiganshire

Can't see a Catherine in Llanddewi Aberarth. Bmds for there would be registered Aberayron at that time. The Catherine registered Tregaron looks to be this one

1851 Cherry Tree, Llanddewibrefi village HO107/2487 folio 272 pg 10
David Lewis head mar 36 weaver b. Carmarthen St Peter
Mary Anne wife 35 dressmaker
Mary dau 13 apprentice dress maker
Hannah dau 10
David son 7
Cathrine dau 5
Jane dau 3
Micah son 11 months
Charles James lodger widower 74 pensioner of Chelsea Hospital b. Carms, Llandeilo
all born Cardiganshire, Llanddewibrefi except where stated

David died before the 1861 census and Catherine and Jane are servants in a house not far from the one they were in for 1851. Micah can be followed through the census. He becomes a weaver and is in Gelligaer in 1891.

Baptisms for all the children except David are in IGI batch C082401 for Llanddewibrefi.

Do you have details of fathers for your relative and for Catherine?

[Dannemois]

This quest of researching my Edwards family is getting deeper by the minute, but isn’t that what family history is all about, I can hear someone say.  However your entry of 1851 for David& Mary Anne Lewis as throw a spanner in the works.

Anyhow I have got as far back to my g.grandfather namely David Edwards born Llanddewi Brefi and on the 1861 census [RG9/4203/94/1] he was at Goygoyan, Llanddewi Brefi with wife Ann and family.  I located a marriage with Anne Lewis on the same page [Tregaron marriages Dec Qtr 1856] and presumed this to be his marriage. 

By 1871, David & Ann had relocated to Manchester [Rg10/4049/61/28 where David found work in the local shipyards at Barrow.

On the 1881 census there were three additions to the family all born in Barrow in Furness.  One in particular namely Charles Edwards, is my grandfather.  Following his naval career he listed an Aunt, Mrs J Hayward at 17 Alton Street, Manchester as his next of kin when he enlisted in 1893.  I located a death for David June Qtr 1891, age 55, Barrow in Furness which is a very good probable for his father.  With my grandfather Charles listing his next of kin as ‘aunt’ it would be more than likely his mother had also passed away.

Tracking the address of 17 Alton Street, Manchester, a John Hayward resided there with his wife Catherine and family.  Manchester marriages reveal Dec Qtr Dec 1871, John Hayward and Catherine Lewis on the same page.  On the 1901 census for Manchester [RG13/3754/16/23] Catherine is recorded as being born Cardiganshire.  My immediate thoughts were ‘is Catherine the ‘aunt’ Charles list as next of kin when he enrolled into the navy’

Hence trying to find my great grandmother Anne [married to David] with a sister Catherine

[osprey]

aaargh! Edwards! I might have to run for the hills. I've enough trouble with my own Edwards lot.

Back to the case in point. The only Edwards family on that page ref  is a father Thomas with children Anne, John & Thomas.

This looks a match

62 Abbott St, Manchester RG9/2958 folio 16 pg 31
David Edwards head mar 25 striker
Ann wife 25
David son 5
Thomas son 3
Mary dau 2
David Jones lodger 23 joiner b. Cardigan
David Lewis lodger 17 engine cleaner b. Cardigan
all born Llanddewibrefi, Cardiganshire except where stated

David would appear to have been born a little before the dec qtr 1856 marriage. There's a possible baptism in IGI batch C082401 for Llanddewibrefi for David son of Anne lewis bp 21/3/1856 which would tie in with his age on census.

Think this could be the link

baptism for David Lewis in IGI batch C059251 for Carmarthen St Peter 17/6/1814 son of Micah & Elizabeth
In same batch, also Mary born 11/5/1819 bp 30/5/1819
IGI batch C082401 for Llanddewibrefi
Anne Lewis bp 28/3/1830 dau of Micah & Elizabeth
Hannah Lewis bp 26/2/1822 dau of Micah & Elizabeth

1841 Gorwydd, Llanddewibrefi HO107/1376/15 folio 8 pg 7
Micah Lewis 45 shopkeeper
Elizabeth 45
John 20
Hannah 10/16 ?
Margaret Morgan 25 house servant
Hannah & Margaret born in county, all the others not

1851  Llanddewibrefi, Gorwydd HO107/2487 folio 274 pg 14
Mica Lewis head mar 59 shop man b. Carmarthen town
Elizabeth wife 58 b. Carmarthen town
Hannah dau 26 b. Llanddewibrefi
Joseph Richard servant widower 37 b. Llanfairclydogau
William Richard grandson 11 b. llanddewibrefi
John Richard grandson 8 b. Llanddewibrefi
Margaret Jones 25 servant b. Llanddewibrefi

Marriage certs for David & Anne would confirm/disprove this.....





 

[osprey]

ooops! There won't be a marriage cert for David, only a parish entry. Mary was baptised July 1837. The best match I can see for the marriage is in 1832, making them both 16.

David Lewis & Mary Anne James 22/12/1832 in Llanddewibrefi

Think Anne & Catherine's marriage certs might help.

[Dannemois]

 Hi Osprey
I can feel some sympathy with you with the name Edwards but what about me with ‘Smith’ to contend with as well; in saying that though to be fair I have gone all the way back to the 1700s with hardly any trouble at all and would you believe from my father back they are all Scottish.  At the very least you think it could have been MacSmith!!

Okay, let’s see if I can make headway with the problem at hand.  The details you found on Catherine Lewis make for a probable case which I will keep at hand until I have something definite.

The David Edwards on the 1861 @ 62 Abbott Street, Manchester is my g.grandfather and I have him located on the 1871 @ 18 Hamilton Street, Manchester; 1881 @ 26 Barton Street, Barrow in Furness; 1891 @ 17 Davy Street, Barrow in Furness.  I have a death reference in the June Qtr 1891, age 55, in Barrow in Furness.  I do need to get a few certificates next and with a bit of luck it will tie all the research up nicely.

Thanks for your help once again, which I am always glad to have.  I have said it before and I will say it again ‘you people do a wonderful job’ and in gratitude I do try and do my bit on site whenever I see a request I can answer.  Thanks again, Roy     

[osprey]

Hi Roy,

hope this is what you're looking for

1841 Llanddewi Brefi, Gorwydd HO107/1876/15 folio 8 pg 8
David Lewis 25 weaver
Marianne 25
Anne 5
Hannah 7 months
all born in county

1861 Penuwch, Llanddewi Brefi, Gorwydd RG9/4204 folio 67 pg 11
Mary Anne Lewis head widow 45 dress maker
Micah son 10
Charles son 8
all born Gorwydd

Llanddewi Brefi RG9/4204 folio 62 pg 2
Thomas Griffiths head mar 42 grocer & draper b. Gwynfil
Hannah wife 35
Elizabeth dau 9
Catherine Lewis 15 house servant
Jane Lewis 13 house servant
all born Gorwydd except where stated

1871 Penuwch RG10/5571 folio 72 pg 5
Mary A Lewis head widow 54
David son 26 wool weaver (Methodist Preacher)
Charles son 18 wool weaver
all born Llanddewi Brefi