Census 1861 lookup - Cooke, Pontypool

[leccy]

Hi

Could some good soul help with filling some missing information in my family history? I am trying to track back a Cook or Cooke family that would have been living in the Pontypool area in the 1850s.

Information that I have is

Charles Cook b?
Eleanor Cook nee Appleton b?1827
Sampson Cook, b?1852
Patience Cook, b?1855 Pontypool
John Cook, b? 1857

If possible, I'd like to find out where and approximately when Charles and Eleanor were born, as well as if there are any other family members. I'm thinking the 1861 census should help.

I am sure I saw something once, but in the resources that I have I can't find anything useful.

Thanks for any help

Les

[hanes teulu]

There's a marriage entry on Free BMD for Eleanor Appleton Pontypool Sep 1844  26  134 and Charles Cook is one of 4 possible partners.

The 1841 Census for the Bridgend and Cowbridge Registration District has
Thos Appleton, 1790, (I?) Miner
Ann Appleton, 1791
Ann Appleton, 1821
Mary Appleton, 1823
Eleanor Appleton, 1826
Tabitha Appleton, 1830

John Appleton, 1811 (I? Miner)
Margt Appleton, 1816
Ann Appleton, 1837
James Dando Appleton, 1837

None born in County
Address Cambrian Row, Llangonoyd, Cwinder
 


 

[hanes teulu]

FreeBMD has

Sampson Cook, Dec 1852, Pontypool,  11a  107
Patience Cook, Jun 1855, Pontypool,  11a  136
John Cook, Sep 1857, Pontypool, 11a   130

Census checking from 1851 onwards has drawn a blank to date. Keep you posted

regards

[hanes teulu]

Really drawing a blank regarding the Cook side of the family. No luck whatsoever and I've checked a range of Censuses - '51, '61, '71. Might they have emigrated? 

If the Eleanor Appleton on the '41 Census posted earlier is the Eleanor that married Charles Cook I've been able to find her mother Ann on the '51 Census (now a Widow, Thomas Appleton's death recorded 1848, Mar, Pontypool,   26  140). She's living with her daughter Tabitha - now married to a John Goulding in Garndifath, Trevethin. Can provide further details if required.
John Appleton, born 1811, + family on the '41 Census is on the '51 Census living in Beaufort Hill, Llangattock.

regards
 

[leccy]

Mate, that's absolutely brilliant. Diolch yn fawr iawn!

I feel really bad for not mentioning up front that yes, they did emigrate, arriving in Australia in 1862 (or at least Eleanor and the children did. No sign of Charles).

I just had a brain wave. I wonder if by the time of the 1861 census they were already on their way and were on the road or staying in lodgings in London or Liverpool or somewhere.

Can you tell me if the '51 census records the birth place of Ann the mother? That might be something I can follow up on.

Thanks again

L.

[osprey]

can't see them in 1861, but they may have been on one of the pieces that is missing. They're in Garndiffaith in 1851

Garndiffaith, Abersychan HO107/2449 folio 491 pg 52
Charles Cook head mar 34 coal miner b. Mathern
Ellin wife 26 b. Trevethin
George son 11 coal miner b. Risca
Sarah dau b. Stowe
all places in Monmouthshire

These transcribed parish records
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monfamilies/trevethinprt.htm

show that Charles was a widower when he married Eleanor. His first marriage to Jane Lyshaw is also transcribed. Charles, Jane & George are in Machen in 1841.
Burials for the Appleton parents are transcribed, but the only Appleton baptism is for a brother of Eleanor's who died young.
There's also an extracted baptism in IGI batch C081291 for Llanelly, Breconshire of Sarah, dau of Thomas & Ann Appleton  22/5/1815.

Ann Appleton's place of birth is given as Broseley, Shropshire and there's an IGI extracted marriage in batch M008701 for Buildwas, just a few miles away, of Thomas Appleton to Ann Boden 5/9/1808.
And baptisms in IGI extracted batch for Broseley C011553 for sons John, 25/3/1810, & George, 9/12/1812, to the couple.
Ann's baptism in same batch 23/1/1791, dau of George & Alice.

[leccy]

Wow. Thank you so much for all of that. Much more information than I could have hoped for!

I had had all sorts of hints about the family but not quite enough information to join the dots. I think I can do that now.

And just as a final note, one short line there just makes me sad

George son 11 coal miner

11 years old and down the pit.

[osprey]

I've seen younger ones on the 1841 census. But it does bring home the realities of life at the time.

I've had a look around for a baptism of Charles without success so far. I wonder if the witnesses to the fisrt marriage are his brother & sister-in-law

1841 Garndiffaith, Trevethin, HO107/744/8 folio 26 pg 46
John Cook 25 miner
Mercy 25
Samson 4
Mary 2
all born in county

1851, there's not a place of birth noted for anyone in the family. 3 more children including a George.

Charles' 2nd marriage was witnessed by a Sampson Cook. His marriage is also in the transcribed records, father given as George.

1841 Garndiffaith (where else?) HO107/744/8 folio 29a pg 55
Samson Cook 25 collier
Sarah 25
Martha 6 months
all born in county

Sampson's is the only family I can see on the 1861 and they seem to disappear after that & Sampson senior is on the 1880 US census in La Salle county, Illinois.

But this isn't getting me any nearer the various Cook baptisms. They don't seem to be in the parish records, so it could be that they were non-conformist.

[Toss]

Hi , Just new to this site but saw a connection with the Cook Family.
Charles Cook if he is the same person was born in Machen Monmouthshire in 1816 and christened in 1819 in Risca. He was married to a Jane Lyshaw and had a son George and then remarried Eleanor Appleton and had another daughter Sarah. Charles had a brother Sampson who emigrated to the USA and also another brother John who is my ggg grandfather who emigrated to the Australia.
Have been trying to find out what happened to Charles and his family. Did Eleanor move to Australia ?