John Henry KEETLEY

[alison2763]

Hello ,
I am looking for any information about my Great great grandfather John Henry KEETLEY.
I believe he was born about 1820 in Derbyshire.
I have found him on the 1841 Census living in Sandiacre .
I can find no more about him until he dies in New Zealand in 1879.
He married Mary Ann HOSKINS but I don't know where or when. Mary was born { I believe } in 1833 in Bristol but I have been unable to confirm this either.
There was another family of KEETLEY's in Kaiapoi NZ that are well documented but as yet I have been unable to tie these in with my Keetleys.
John and Mary had 2 Daughters and 3 sons in the early 1870's in NZ { I believe}. The middle son  Henry Joseph KEETLEY b 1871 Kaiapoi NZ d 1917 France, { fighting for Australia in WW1}, was my Great grandfather.
Can anyone please help me find their births, marriage and Immigration ?
Thanks in advance.
Alison
Australia

[Ruskie]

Alison, in the 1851 census (HO107/2141/223/23) there is a John Keetley ironstone labourer living in Sandiacre with wife Eliza and family. I wonder if this is the same John Keetley who you found in the 1841 census? He may be yours and have been married before marrying Mary.

Do you have John Henry's NZ death certificate? Does this reveal anything about how long he'd been in NZ or who his parent's were? You might have more luck posting a query on the NZ board for help with this. Of course he may have migrated to NZ via Australia ... 

You need to work from what you know and be careful that you don't skip straight to England and end up following the wrong John.

[alison2763]

Hi Ruskie,
I did find the one in Sandiacre and ruled that out. On one of his son's death certificates it says he was a Butcher, but don't know if that was in NZ or England.
As far  as I know  he wasn't previously married with any other children but it is still a possiblity.
I agree I will have to get his death certificate { which I have only recently found in NZ} to find more details.
I was hoping that someone may be able to find his Birth and Marriage to Mary in England 
I have posted on the NZ board before but this family seems to be very elusive. The other KEETLEY's in Kaiapoi NZ are well documented having had a large Foundry there and  the land it was situated on is still known as Keetleys Corner. None of the decendants of that family know about mine 
Regards
Alison

[Ruskie]

The IGI has 2 extracted christenings:

John Keetly chr 7 Aug 1817 Sandiacre
father John
mother Amy

John Keatly chr 23 Feb 1817 Sandiacre
father Samuel
mother Diana

Of course there may be others. And neither of these have a middle name. 

Regarding the marriage - Depending on where Mary was from, the couple could have married anywhere in England, or even NZ.

I think we need to try to discover a bit more about them before we try to track them down in England.

Do you have Mary's death certificate? It would help find a marriage if we knew her maiden name.

[sunflower]

Hi Alison

There may have been two John & Amy's around at the same time as I found this one on the Notts FHS CD

John Keetley 18.8. 1816 at St Marys, Notts, to John & Amy Keetley, Charlotte St, Framework Knitter.

Unless of course it is the same couple and the younger one died, although can't see any burial for him

Carol

[alison2763]

Thank you Carol and Ruskie,
I will have to get John's death certificate from NZ and see who his parents are.
Ruskie Mary's name was Mary Ann HOSKINS and I believe she was from Bristol.
I will have to get her death cert too.
I thought if we found their marriage it might give us parents names 
Regards
Alison

[Ruskie]

Hi Alison

There may have been two John & Amy's around at the same time as I found this one on the Notts FHS CD

John Keetley 18.8. 1816 at St Marys, Notts, to John & Amy Keetley, Charlotte St, Framework Knitter.

Unless of course it is the same couple and the younger one died, although can't see any burial for him

Carol

Um, curious.

Alison, it would be best to get both of those d/c's then we should have something to go on. If we're not even sure what country John and Mary married in we'll be relying on guesswork. 

What source tells you that says John is from Derbyshire and Mary is from Bristol?

[trish1120]

Hi Alison,
I have looked at your Tree and am somewhat confused.
I can see why you are asking for help.
We are very helpfull here on Rootschat so please just bear with me as I ask questions.

If the children were born in the 1870's then John would be abt 50 and Mary 40. Although not impossible it seems unlikely.

To trace this Family properly you need BMD Certs to confirm all details.

Do you have your Great Grandfathers Marriage and Birth Certs?

Trish

[alison2763]

Hello all helpers.
I have found John and Mary's entry into NZ. { with the help of someone else who is researching the "other" Keetleys that went to NZ.
I have always thought his name was John Henry, maybe he dropped the John ??

They were on the " Clontarf"  left Plymouth 15.9.1858 arrived  NZ 5.1.1859  Henry KEETLEY 29 Farm Laborer and Mary Ann  KEETLEY 24

Maybe Henry changed jobs to Butcher on arrival in NZ. It is stated on his son's { Frank's} death certificate that he was a butcher.

Henry KEETLEY d 10.7.1879 aged 50 Kaiapoi NZ
Mary Ann KEETLEY d 30.10.1901 at her residence  North Rd Kaiapoi NZ aged 67

I cannot find a source for the information I had about where John/Henry KEETLEY  and Mary Ann HOSKINS were born.
I think the only thing for me to do is get the Death Certs from NZ and work backwards.

Regards
Alison