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Jedburgh - Douglas Baptisms
« on: Saturday 20 March 10 09:01 GMT (UK) »
Any Douglas baptisms at Jedburgh appreciated - but especially looking for James Douglas c1669 died 1750 at the age of 81

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Re: Jedburgh - Douglas Baptisms
« Reply #1 on: Friday 04 June 10 14:36 BST (UK) »
This is about the burial of James Douglas c1669 - in the Jedburgh Abbey Graveyard -
Front "Angel bones, skull, spade and shovel, hour glass" Reverse "Here Lyes James Douglass, Gardener and Burgess in Jedburgh d 30.4.1750 81 and James, Christian and Janet children of George Douglass Gardener in Jedburgh"

This is also about George Douglas/Dowglas 1720 Jedburgh - Gardener in Jedburgh and tenant at Howden & Agness (Annie) Oliver 1723 Jedburgh as three of their children James (1) 1748 Jedburgh, Christian (1) 1750 Jedburgh and Jannat 1752 Jedburgh lie with James c1699 to 1750.

Was James Douglas c1669 the father or grand-father of George Douglas 1720 Jedburgh  ???

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Jedburgh - James Douglas a gardiner children
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 12 December 17 01:49 GMT (UK) »
Hi Rockhopper
Just started to look into the family of this James Douglas, I descend from daughter Margaret
Online sources have him as being married in 1703 to Isobell Couman, and then in 1710 to Jannet Olipher/Oliver
The registers seem to have a merchant and Baiilie James Douglas having children around the same time and John Smith late Provost and George Waddell, a glover seem to be baptismal witness to children to James the gardiner and James the merchant and Baillie, given later he is a Burgess of Jedburgh can these earlier baptisms be to the same man, there is also a James Douglas a herd, but think we can rule him out.
Also online sources have  "our James" being a son of a William and a Mason?
Cheers Colin

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Re: Jedburgh - Douglas Baptisms
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 12 December 17 02:35 GMT (UK) »
Hi - there were a few named 'Margaret Douglas' around that time. Google - Hay Genealogy. My James Douglas c1669 was the son of a John Douglas. He had a least two siblings who were also Gardiners (Gardeners) - John Douglas and Andrew Douglas. William Douglas and George Douglas around that time and also Gardiners were possibly siblings of James too. This James Douglas was on the Jedburgh Council and he was made a Burgess. There was another James Douglas around that time on the Jedburgh Council and he was a Merchant. Those online sources are mine. But not the one where his father was a William. I would be very interested in other children of James Douglas the Gardiner, so far I only have George, Margaret and James. George Douglas his son who was also a Gardiner is my ancestor. I haven't come across my James as also being a Baillie. It is possible that James the Merchant and Baillie were one and the same. Rockhopper

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Re: Jedburgh - Douglas Baptisms
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 12 December 17 02:55 GMT (UK) »
Hay Genealogy and 'Margaret Douglas' - http://haygenealogy.com/hay/church/margaretdouglas.html

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Re: Jedburgh - Douglas Baptisms
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 12 December 17 03:01 GMT (UK) »
The Margaret Douglas who was the daughter of James Douglas or Douglass the Burgess and Gardiner in Jedburgh.
Name: Margret Douglas\Dowglas
Sex: F
Birth: 9 MAY 1722 in Jedburgh, Roxburghshire, Scotland
Father: James Douglass\Douglas b: ABT 1669 in Jedburgh, Roxburghshire, Scotland
Mother: Jonet\Jonnet\Jennat Olipher b: BEF 20 FEB 1678 in Jedburgh, Roxburghshire, Scotland

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Re: Jedburgh - Douglas Baptisms
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 12 December 17 03:45 GMT (UK) »
I have Margaret daughter of James the gardiner and burgess, married to William Knox in Athelstaneford, the 1744 marriage entry said she was from Jedburgh

Baptism Father a gardiner in Jedburgh, George Waddell and George Douglas the witnesses
George Waddell is a witness to some of Baillie James Douglas's children as well.

Margaret, daughter of the deceased James Douglas, merchant  and provost of Jedburgh, and wife of William  Knox, of Mayshiell 29 Mar. 1786
Commissariot Records Edinburgh Register of testaments Part 111 page 77 (1701 - 1800)

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Re: Jedburgh - Douglas Baptisms
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 12 December 17 04:57 GMT (UK) »
Jedburgh - From the House of Lords Journal Voi 25, April 1738, 11-20.  "Marq. Lothian & al. against Haswell & al:

After hearing Counsel, as well on Wednesday and Thursday last as this Day, upon the amended Petition and Appeal of William Marquis of Lothian, alleging to be present Provost of the Borough of Jedburgh, James Davidson, Joseph Thomson, George Martin, and Archibald Douglas, Merchants, present Baillies of the said Borough, John Jerdine Merchant, present Dean of Guild of the said Borough, William Thomson Chirurgeon, present Treasurer of the said Borough, Henry Leck and Thomas Bell Merchants, George Waddell and Adam Robson Glovers, and David King Burgess, Five of the present Counsellors thereof, John Porteous Glover, present Deacon of the Glovers and One of the present Council Deacons and Conveener of the Trades, Gabriel Newtoun Taylor, and present Deacon of the Taylors and Council Deacon, George Lookup Wright, present Deacon of the Wrights and Council Deacon, John Wauch Flesher, present Deacon of the Fleshers and Council Deacon, John Bell Shoemaker, and present Deacon of the Shoemakers, William Ronaldson Weaver; and present Deacon of the Weavers, James Pitillo Smith, and present Deacon of the Smiths, Robert Finlay Mason, and present Deacon of the Masons, John Hall Inn-keeper, John Bennet Tobacconist, Gilbert Turnbull Gardener, John Borthwick Merchant, James Douglas Gardener, John Wilkeison Baxter, and Robert Wood Litster, for themselves, as Magistrates, Office-bearers, Deacons of Crafts, and Members of the Town Council, of the said Borough, and in Name and Behalf of the Town Council, and Whole Burgesses, Inhabitants, and Community thereof, adhering to them; complaining of several Interlocutors of the Lords of Session in Scotland; of the 19th of January, 1st, 8th, and 16th of February, 1737/8, made on the Behalf of John Haswell, alleging to be present Provost of the Borough of Jedburgh, Alexander Waugh, Andrew Frame, Alexander Jerden, and John Young, Merchants, present Baillies of the said Borough, George Riddle Merchant, present Dean of Guild of the said Borough, John Winterup Merchant, present Treasurer thereof, John Smith, James Douglas, William Sleigh, William Young, Robert Winterup, George Scougald, all Six Merchants, John Oliver, and William Brown Tobacconist, Robert Dick Litster, and Thomas Rutherfoord Writer in the said Borough, Ten of the present Counsellors, George Shortred Shoemaker, and present Deacon of the Shoemakers and One of the present Council Deacons there, James Johnson Baxter, Thomas Smaill Tobacconist, James Haswell Writer, John White Merchant, Andrew Rutherfoord Younger, Glover, David Wright Barber, Cornelius Inglis Merchant, George Ballerwell, Richard Hair, and Richard Dick, Shoemakers, William Oliver Smith, Robert Rutherfoord Sadler, John Fiddes and James Scott Glovers, John Common and William Ballantine Weavers, John Porteous, Andrew Borthwick, and Walter Reidford, Taylors, Robert Binyie Mason, Henry Young Glazier, William Coverhill and Robert Donaldson Wrights, and Walter Scott and Robert Henderson Fleshers, all in the said Borough of Jedburgh; for themselves, as Magistrates, Office-bearers, Deacons of Crafts, and Members of the Town Council, of the said Borough, and also as Burgesses, Gild Brethren, Members of Incorporation, and Inhabitants, respectively, of the said Borough, and in Name and Behalf of the Town Council and Whole Burgesses, Inhabitants and Community thereof, adhering to them; and praying, "That the said Interlocutors, so far as they are in the Appeal recited, may be reversed, varied, or amended; and that the Appellants may obtain such Relief as this House shall find just:" As also upon the joint and several Answer of the said John Haswell and the Persons last named put in to the said Appeal; and due Consideration had of what was offered on either Side in this Cause:
Judgement.

It is Ordered and Adjudged, by the Lords Spiritual and Temporal in Parliament assembled, That the Interlocutor of the Lords of Session, of the 19th of January last, whereby the Elections of the Appellants were reduced at the Suit of the Respondents, be affirmed: And it is Declared, That the Elections of Counsellors and Magistrates for the Borough of Jedburgh, insisted on by the Respondents, were irregular and void: And it is therefore further Ordered and Adjudged, That the same be reduced; and that so much of the other Interlocutors complained of, whereby the Court of Session decerned in the Declarator, at the Instance of the Respondents, and assoilzied from the Reduction at the Instance of the Appellants, with regard to all the Elections thereby quarrelled (excepting those of Robert Winterup and George Scougald), be reversed."
In this extract there is James Douglas a Merchant and it appears that he was also a Baillie. There is also (on the other side) James Douglas a Gardener (he is my ancestor). From his tombstone in the Jedburgh Abbey Graveyard it is written that he was a Gardener and a Burgess.

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Re: Jedburgh - Douglas Baptisms
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 12 December 17 05:02 GMT (UK) »
Could this be your Margaret Douglass?
Gender    Female
Christening Date    14 Apr 1723
Christening Place    JEDBURGH, ROXBURGH, SCOTLAND
Birth Date    07 Apr 1723
Father's Name    James Douglass