Jewish Family History

[Gaie]

Hi Jan

I thought you could compare the occupation of Isaiah's father on the marriage certificate to those given in 1841/51, then you would know which one was his.  I'm not sure how you are going to link Isaiah to anyone else without that information  .  When did they emigrate?

Justin, I'll pull up Elias's records again (I'd already found some yesterday, but IE decided to close on me before I'd transcribed anything  ).

Kind regards
Gaie

[Gaie]

Right, Elias:

There is another Elias BENJAMIN bc1825 but he first appears in 1841 in the house of Moses BENJAMIN 40 (glass dealer) St George, Tower Hamlets, as a cigar app(rentice) and is consistently in the cigar business in later censuses, so I’ve discounted him.

1841 HO107 703 8 4 3
High St, St Paul’s Shadwell, Middlesex
In the house of Daniel BARNETT, Tailor
Elias BENJAMIN 20 MS (male servant) born in county

1851 HO107 1550 329 68
New Gravel Lane, St Paul, Shadwell, Middlesex
Elias BENJAMIN 31 General Dealer, b City of London
Wife Mary 27 b City of London (Mary appears as ‘Sarah’ in 1871 then reverts to Mary in 1881; consistent in age and pob: Aldgate, Cof L)

1861 RG9 270 2 11
35 New Castle Street, Whitechapel, Middlesex  (Elias remains at this address until at least 1891)
Elias BENJAMIN 40 General Dealer b Middlesex Stepney

1871 RG10 518 32 17
Elias BENJAMIN 50 Merchant’s Clerk b Middlesex Whitechapel

1881 RG11 443 40 27
Elias BENJAMIN 60 Collector (Clk) b Middlesex Whitechapel

1891 RG12 279 152 8
Elias BENJAMIN 71 Collector at Clothes Mt b Middlesex Mile End
Widower

Children to Elias through the censuses
Isaiah 1845 (seems to become Isaac in later censuses)
Raphael 1847
Sarah 1848
Lydia 1850
Clara 1852
Fanny 1854
Abraham 1856
Moses 1860 (Abraham and Moses do not appear after 1861 census)
John 1862

Possible marriage: 
Dec 1843 London
Vol 2 Page 178
Elias BENJAMIN
Mary LAZARUS on same page

Jun 1844 London
Vol 2 Page 178 (yes, I know, same ref nos)
Elias BENJAMIN
Esther JESSURUN on same page (Elias son of Moses is found with an Esther in later censuses, so not this one)

Death:
Elias BENJAMIN
Mar 1897 Whitechapel
Vol 1c Page 197 aged 77

The other Elias with Esther is still alive in 1901 census.
Probable death:
Elias BENJAMIN
Dec 1901 Shoreditch
Vol 1c 50 aged 77

Kind regards
Gaie

[JustinL]

Thank you Gaie. Very thorough as ever.

I was wondering if the original return for Elias in the Barnett household in 1841 might also include Isaiah lurking somewhere. Or maybe a partially illegible name that has not been transcribed.

We know that Isaiah was living at 47 Shadwell High Street in 1851. I have a hunch that he was there in '41 too.

As you say Gaie, the only way to progress here is to order the marriage cert of Isaiah and Elizabeth to establish their fathers' full correct names and occupations.

Justin

[Gaie]

Ok, here's a possibility:

1841 Census
HO107 696 7 6 5
192 Ratcliff Highway, St George East, Middlesex (next door to Shadwell)
In the household of
Moses NATHAN 40 Slop Seller
and family, two servants and one other Journeyman
Isah BENJAMIN 15 Journeyman
All born in county

Slop seller: a dealer in cheap ready-made clothing, so right trade.  Yes, I had to look it up, my mind was running rampant.... 

KR
Gaie

Added: Looking at old and new maps, is it possible that Ratcliff Highway ran into Shadwell High Street?  Answered my own question; Greenwood's Map of London 1827 shows just that!

[JustinL]

Well done, Gaie. That looks pretty good to me. Would 19 years old have been rounded down?

Justin

[kiwicatz]

Hi Jan

I thought you could compare the occupation of Isaiah's father on the marriage certificate to those given in 1841/51, then you would know which one was his.  I'm not sure how you are going to link Isaiah to anyone else without that information  .  When did they emigrate?

Hello Gaie
They emigrated between 1851 and I think 1855 - they were in UK on the 1851 Census and their daughter Isabella was born in Melbourne in 1855
I don't know exactly but there are a couple with 2 children who are the right age who arrived on the Marquis of Bute in 1853. There are no christian names mentioned. To see a passenger list you need to view the micrfiche in Melbourne, and I have no chance of doing that in the near future.
Regards
Jan

[Gaie]

Hi Jan

I've seen that passenger list already!  London to Melbourne, arrival 15th December 1853.  You're right, it just says Mr (26) & Mrs (24) Benjamin and two children, one male aged 3 and one female aged 1; BritishSubjects.  The parents' ages are out a bit, but nothing to shout about 

Justin, yes, in the 1841 Census ages were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest five years for those over the age of 15.  This was not always applied and many pages show actual ages, but on that particular page all adults had ages of 15, 20, 25 etc so in this case Isah could have been anything between 15 and 19.

Kind regards
Gaie

[kiwicatz]

Well I got Isaiah and Elizabeth's death certificates today, (Isaiah is a 'Gentleman' on his) and Isaiah's says his father was Abraham Benjamin 'Traveller' and his mother Sarah Joseph.

Elizabeth's father was Phillip Harris, Merchant and her mother Catherine Moses.

Where does that take me? Not much further I think.
Except one sons second name is Asher, and another is named Alfred Elias.
Jan

[JustinL]

Jan,

The problem I see is that the information on a death cert is always second hand so to speak. The info may have been provided by somebody who never met Isaiah's or Elizabeth's parents, perhaps one of their Australian-born children.

When did Isaiah and Elizabeth die? Who were the informants?

I'm afraid the marriage cert may have been or more use.

The name Elias cropping up amongst Isaiah's children is a useful clue I would say. When was Alfred Elias born?

I shall see if I can find anything on Philip and Cathernine.

Justin