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Kathleen Clifton Green
« on: Saturday 27 March 10 17:06 GMT (UK) »
I realise this is a big ask but I wondered if anyone had come across this lady.

She was the eldest of five children born to William Robert Green and Kathleen Gibson.

Mother was originally from Bradford and father from Dorset otherwise all the family lived and worked in and around Peckham.

On the 1871 census Katherine Clifton Green born abt 1868 had Peckham crossed out as her birthplace and replaced with Brighton.
All her siblings were born and baptised in Peckham but I cannot trace either  birth or baptism for her.
Just wondered if anyone had any suggestions

Thanks
Jo
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Re: Kathleen Clifton Green
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 27 March 10 17:22 GMT (UK) »
Is it possible that she was born before the marriage and is registered under her mothers' name?
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Re: Kathleen Clifton Green
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 27 March 10 17:30 GMT (UK) »
Birth
Jan/Feb/Mar 1867
Brighton 2b 250
Katherine Gibson

possible?

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Re: Kathleen Clifton Green
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 27 March 10 17:35 GMT (UK) »
I noticed that birth lizdb -but what is puzzling the topic heading is "Kathleen Clifton Green" and then she is referred to as Katherine Clifton green on 1871 census - but I can only find her on census as Kathleen??????

Jo, could you confirm what her name is????

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Re: Kathleen Clifton Green
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 27 March 10 18:08 GMT (UK) »
I think this an enumerator problem she seems to be under either Katherine or Kathleen.

Her mother was definitely Katherine so it is confusing.  :-\
I have just checked the London marriages again and  unfortunately William and Katherine married in 1863 which means it's very unlikely that she was registered under her mother's maiden name which is a pity as I thought that really was the way forward.

You are all so helpful

Many thanks



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Re: Kathleen Clifton Green
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 27 March 10 18:13 GMT (UK) »
Birth
Jan/Feb/Mar 1867
Brighton 2b 250
Katherine Gibson

This Katherine is a daughter of John & Louisa in Brighton in 1871, 1881, 1891.
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Re: Kathleen Clifton Green
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 27 March 10 21:54 GMT (UK) »
Hello Jo,

What is the reference for the 1871 census?

I don't know if this is the same person in 1901:

RG13/506: Folio 45: Page 25

Arbor Lodge, The Retreat, (Queens Rd),
Kathleen Clifton, daughter, single, age 31, born Camberwell.

The head of house is William Robert Green, Electrical Engineer, born Poole, Dorset.
Presumably he has re-married as his wife is some years younger and called Anna(?), born Sawtry, Hunts.

I would read it that Kathleen was born a Clifton and possibly adopted in some way by William and Katherine as a baby?

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Re: Kathleen Clifton Green
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 28 March 10 10:40 BST (UK) »
The 1871 transcribes the family last name as Greens.

 RG10/ 734; Folio: 84; Page: 36;

The mother is Katherine and the daughter Kathleen...confusing!

Yes Phil the 1901 family is correct.
William Robert actually married three times but the only children were all from his first marriage to Katherine Gibson. there was a stepson Emile Victor Xavior Roche but he arrived with wife number three much later.
He married Katherine Gibson in 1863 but I haven't managed to trace any children before the arrival of Kathleen Clifton Green in 1868.
They were keen on using family surnames as middle names so it is possible that's where the  Clifton came from. Except that I haven't found any others!
However I haven't traced William Robert's mother yet so perhaps it's her.
Thanks for your help it always gives new directions to search in. I just find it odd that the other children are so well documented but not this one.

Jo




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Re: Kathleen Clifton Green
« Reply #8 on: Monday 29 March 10 11:05 BST (UK) »
How do you know the middle name is Clifton?

1871 that you quote only has initial, and no birth found .....
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
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Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
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