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Lady Violet Greville
« on: Wednesday 07 April 10 02:31 BST (UK) »
I'm interested in learning some biographical information about Lady Violet Greville.  I know she was born Lady Beatrice Violet Graham, the daughter of James Graham, 4th Duke of Montrose; that she married Algernon William Fulke Greville in 1863; and that she was a writer.  If possible, I would like to know more about her personal life.
Thanks!
Bridget

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Re: Lady Violet Greville
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 07 April 10 03:57 BST (UK) »
Hi Bridget;

A couple of links and 1881 Census;
http://thepeerage.com/p34640.htm#i346398
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algernon_Greville,_2nd_Baron_Greville
http://wapedia.mobi/en/Ronald_Henry_Fulke_Greville

1881 Census
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Sunninghill, Berkshire
RG11/1322/138/19

Fulke GREVILLE, 40, Head, Mar, Magistrate/Deputy Lieut, born London, Middlesex
VIOLET, 37, Wife, Mar, born Sulby, Leicester
Camilla, 14, Daug, Unm, born London
Veronique, 11, Daug, born London
Beatrice WARD,20, Visitor, Unm, born London
Albertine EGGI, 34, Visitor, Unm, born Zurich, Switzerland
+ 7 Servants

 I wonder where Ronald was in 1871. Probably away at School. Charles was born 1871 according to Wiki page
I cant find a Civil Reg birth for Beatrice Violet Graham.

Trish :)
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Re: Lady Violet Greville
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 07 April 10 15:07 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Trish!  I'm hoping to find some personal info about Lady Violet--something that I can't find in the censuses.  (Including: was she ever in Westmorland??!! ???  I'm following a quest my father wants me to follow: why was his grandfather's middle name Greville?  And why did his grandfather go on about a Lady Violet?  Although I suspect that my father might have misheard his grandfather, and it was Lady Valda that his grandfather was going on about.)
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Re: Lady Violet Greville
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 07 April 10 15:33 BST (UK) »
Strange

1871 has the children:
Ronald age 6
Camilla age 4
Veronica age 1

all described as son / daughters in the household of a Charles Ford ...a plumber  ???

RG10 849 51 9 (indexed Grexille)
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Lady Violet Greville
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 07 April 10 15:37 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Trish!  I'm hoping to find some personal info about Lady Violet--something that I can't find in the censuses.  (Including: was she ever in Westmorland??!! ???  I'm following a quest my father wants me to follow: why was his grandfather's middle name Greville?  And why did his grandfather go on about a Lady Violet?  Although I suspect that my father might have misheard his grandfather, and it was Lady Valda that his grandfather was going on about.)
Bridget

Was your great-grandfather of the right sort of age to be a godson of Fulke or Lady Violet Greville?  I've found in several cases in my tree that mysterious surnames-as-middle-names (where not family names) have turned out to be connected to godparents.

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Re: Lady Violet Greville
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 07 April 10 16:14 BST (UK) »
My g grandfather was born in 1876, to a relatively poor farm family in Killington, Westmorland.  He was the youngest of 10 siblings, and was the only one who had a middle name.  My father was told that the name Greville was used "to curry favor" with someone.  Who?-- he doesn't know.  (Greville is my father's first name.)

Our family has a very uncommon surname, and though I've traced the family back to 1720 I still haven't connected with the very wealthy branch that lived in Appleby.

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Re: Lady Violet Greville
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 07 April 10 17:03 BST (UK) »
Interestingly in a newspaper item it says that the Lady Beatrice Violet Graham, daughter of the Duke of Montrose is about to marry Sir Ivor Bertie Guest of Glamorganshire. (May 9th 1863)

It looks as if Sir Ivor Bertie Guest married in 1868ish to a Lady Cornelia Churchill, daughter of the Duke of Marlborough.

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Re: Lady Violet Greville
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 07 April 10 17:42 BST (UK) »
Strange

1871 has the children:
Ronald age 6
Camilla age 4
Veronica age 1

all described as son / daughters in the household of a Charles Ford ...a plumber  ???

RG10 849 51 9 (indexed Grexille)

I was intrigued by this  :D so looked them up and they are a separate entry with a nurse etc looking after them.
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Re: Lady Violet Greville
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 07 April 10 18:22 BST (UK) »
I must have missed something then, cos I looked and looked and they seemed to be the same household and were described as sons and dtrs -   :-[

but it is still a bit strange as it obviously wasnt a very big posh house ... or maybe it was and Charlie was a very successful plumber  ..
or maybe it was a big house next door to an ordinary house..

And where on earth is Violet/Beatrice as a child?
Where did the Duke of Montrose hang out - sounds Scotish to me. But she said on 1881 she was born Leics but no trace of her.




Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk