Kavanagh and Carton of Brockagh Wicklow

[eyshame]

Thanks for your post. My Catherine Carton married a John Kavanagh but i am not sure when exactly as i don't have a marriage cert for them. I only know of Catherine Carton and John Kavanagh as they were the parents of my great grandfather Thomas Kavanagh born 1865 in Brockage Wicklow. I have his birth cert.
Would love to find out about them thouh and i hope there is a connection.
Regards
E.

[brad]

the story has it from family way back that our Catherine Carton had a child and she left him behind in ireland but this has never been proved .  But she did marry 1868 I think  as they eloped to England her and John Carroll he was a miner also....and when they  came to new Zealand later she had money  not him ..... so where did the money come from I wonder. The mystery continues. Brad.

[clubhistorian]

Hi,

I have two different Carten girls that go back to Wicklow.  I think they may be sisters, but can't prove it yet.  I've never done research in Ireland, so I'm not sure how it matches up.

First is Elizabeth Carten, born around 1842 in Arklow, county Wicklow according to the 1911 England Census and Wicklow, starts with a C, (Clurick?, Church) but I can't read the writing in the 1881 England census.

Elizabeth married John Murphy sometime around 1860-65.  John Murphy was born around 1845 in County Wexford.  They had a son Patrick Murphy on 21 Oct in 1865 in Annamoe, Wicklow, Ireland.  They were in Walton, Lancashire, England by 1868.  John Murphy was a miner.  They settled in Durham county.  Elizabeth was living with her daughter Elizabeth Mullen in Wallsend, Northumberland, England by 1911.


The second is Alice Carten, born around 1851.  She married Michael McGuire, born around 1835.  Their oldest two boys were Ralph, born 1864 in Annamoe and John, born 1866 in Annamoe.  They were in Cumberland, England by 1870 and settled in Millom.

I'd like to know if Elizabeth & Alice were sisters.  I'd also like to know if they were the daughters of Ralph...since Alice named her oldest son Ralph, I wonder if there's a connection.

Hope this helps someone out there.  Thanks.

[clubhistorian]

I found Alice Carten McGuire in the 1911 England census.  She lists her place of birth as Seven Churches, Wicklow.  I went back to Elizabeth's 1881 census entry and can see now that she was also born in Seven Churches. 

[Jytefas]

Hi E. Clubhistorian, Brad, shanew147 etc,  I have been following this with great interest, hope you make the breakthrough soon E. 

Just for your information Seven Churches and Glendalough are the one and same place.

Regards
John G.

[Jytefas]

The surviving records for RC Parish of Glendalough (Civil Parish Derrylossary)
Earliest records: Births Jun 1807. Marriage Jan 1808.
Missing dates: Birth Jan 1838 to Aug 1839. Marriage Jun 1838 to May 1840

Cheers John G.

[phiona]

Hi There

I am following this with great interest. I have been researching the name Carton/Carten/McCarten etc for years.

I have found Alice Carten born 1850 in County Down, her father was David Carten. 

I also have an Alice Carten and Michael McGuire had a son called Ralph McGuire. Ralph was born in County Wicklow, 1864. (This is of great interest to me). From what I can see Alice and Michael only had one child in Ireland.

I have a Michael McGuire and Anna Carten having a child in County Wicklow. He was named John McGuire, born 1866.

I hope this helps. Cheers

[clubhistorian]

I found the births of John McGuire and Ralph McGuire on the familysearch.org website.  Both are listed as born in Annamoe, Wicklow, Ireland.  Both have Michael McGuire and Alice Carton listed as parents.   

Ralph's birth is listed as 19 MAY 1864; John's is listed as 18 JUN 1866. 

The source for John is listed as film #0101126 - "Quarterly returns of births in Ireland, 1864-1955, with index to births, 1864-1921"; source for Ralph is film #0101086 - "Quarterly returns of births in Ireland, 1864-1955, with index to births, 1864-1921  Ireland. General Register Office".

[phiona]

Awesome thanks Clubhistorian!