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Re: Cleopas Watts from Quorndon
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 06 May 10 07:15 BST (UK) »
Hi Again everyone,
Just looking over all the postings I think it is very likely that John Watts and Cleopas Watts are different usages of name by the same person. The evidence does seem to stack up...
Pharaoh is definitely the son of Cleopas Watts yet at Pharoah's marriage in 1860 he gives his father as John Watts.
In the 1861 census Cleopas has a housekeeper Emma Bonnett. In the 1851 census Emma Bonnett is with John Watts in Leicester.
Cleopas seems is known to be living up to at least 1861 (including lots of court appearances) yet he is only found in 1861 and not in 1841 and 1851, while a John Watts is not in 1861 but found in 1851, 1871 and possibly 1881 with similar occupations and birth locations.
[By the way Diddy I gave you a wrong direction Cleopas was born in Donningto not Quorndon, so please do not look up there!]
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Re: Cleopas Watts from Quorndon
« Reply #28 on: Thursday 06 May 10 17:09 BST (UK) »
as stated in a PM - i will look for John /Cleopas in the Castle Donington PRs in L'boro library.

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Re: Cleopas Watts from Quorndon
« Reply #29 on: Thursday 06 May 10 19:45 BST (UK) »
Thanks very much Diddy
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Re: Cleopas Watts from Quorndon
« Reply #30 on: Thursday 06 May 10 23:33 BST (UK) »
Greeting’s Folks ….

Diddy......... to cut down your leg work . .......

Try these Ones :~

St: Edwards King &  Martyr parish Church
Castle Donnington.


1817.

Cleophas. Son of John & Ann Watts……Bapt……13th. August.

1819.

Frances Daughter of John & Ann Watts…..Bapt….13th. December
Buried 2nd. February 1820.

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Re: Cleopas Watts from Quorndon
« Reply #31 on: Friday 07 May 10 16:36 BST (UK) »
Mike -are you implying my legs aren't up to the job!!  :o

thanks anyway - will check those out plus look around for other family members.

Diddy  ;D
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Re: Cleopas Watts from Quorndon
« Reply #32 on: Friday 07 May 10 18:39 BST (UK) »
Thanks Mike and Diddy,
So Cleophas was not of full age when he got married :) in fact 2 months short of his 18th birthday, obviously a marriage carried out to save Hannah blushes as you say as she was already pregnant with Pharoah at the time, and that, as you previously said Mike, is most likely is why Pharoah is listed below his grandparents rather than below Hannah in 1841.
And looking at the 1841 census, I wonder who was Miriam Watts aged 14 in 1841? Another daughter of John and Ann?
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Re: Cleopas Watts from Quorndon
« Reply #33 on: Friday 07 May 10 22:01 BST (UK) »
Hi RootsChatters
About Cleophas's wife Hannah Watts nee Cook, who is on the 1841 census but does not appear after, Eileen previously posted that a Hannah Watts died Leicester Jan-Mar 1843. In fact on FreeBMD there are 2 other postings for Hannah Watts' death in Leicester Jan-Mar 1847 and Oct-Dec 1847. But I think the most likely is Loughborough (this would cover Quorndon area) Jan-Mar 1844.
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Re: Cleopas Watts from Quorndon
« Reply #34 on: Friday 07 May 10 23:56 BST (UK) »
Greeting’s Again Folks. ……

Let’s try and clarify these Deaths for a Hannah Watts. …..

1847.
All Saints Parish Church. Leicester
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Parish Burial Register No’. 1310.

Hannah Watts.
Abode at Burial……Leicester.
16th. January. 
Aged…..An Infant ( usually means they did not reach their 1st Birthday.)

1847. Oct ~ Dec Qrt. Cert No’. XV 61.Leicester.

Sorry on trace found within the 13 Burial Grounds of the Borough of Leicester.
Plus no trace within the County of a Burial to match the above details.
Assume the burial was outside of Leicestershire………

1844.
Emmanuel Parish Church. Loughborough.    
Parish Burial Register No’. 233.

Hannah Watts.
Abode at Burial …..Loughborough.
23rd. February.
Aged….72.

MIKE……
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Draper.                   Hirons.
Combs.                   Botts.
Stallard.                 Hall.

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Re: Cleopas Watts from Quorndon
« Reply #35 on: Saturday 08 May 10 00:51 BST (UK) »
Hello Mike

Do you have a record of the Hannah Watts I posted?
1843 - Leicester - Jan/Mar  Entry No 15 76
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