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Offline eleanorw28

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Cross-written letter *COMPLETED*thankyou all. see last post
« on: Monday 03 May 10 16:13 BST (UK) »
"COMPLETED" (see my final post)Photo attached
I have an undated letter written from my ggrandfather Thomas James Leggett of Sedgeford, Norfolk (a Miller and Baker), to his fiance/wife Rachel Binks. I have been unable to read more than a few words because it is cross-written. Are there any tricks to overcome this? I have tried covering below the line I am trying to read.
Even better, is there someone who could translate for me?
Part of the letter is attached. I could email a high resolution image, or post a print.
Eleanor
London - Wilkinson, Jones, Sanders, Fowler.
Cornwall - Jenkin, Buckingham, Frayn.  Cambridgeshire - Johnson, Preston, Marshall. 
Somerset - Watts, Budgett, King.  Norfolk - Leggett, Binks, Spooner.

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Re: Cross-written letter
« Reply #1 on: Monday 03 May 10 16:46 BST (UK) »
This is a poser!!

I have tried changing the contrast, solarising etc in Paint Shop & can see the first sentence. I will work on it further!!

Josey
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Cross-written letter
« Reply #2 on: Monday 03 May 10 20:24 BST (UK) »
I've never seen this before - so neat it's almost geometric - and unreadable!

I'll have a go too

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Re: Cross-written letter
« Reply #3 on: Monday 03 May 10 21:08 BST (UK) »
I am sure there is a word for this kind of writing but [senior moment?] can't thinkof it.

Here goes [so far]

"Friday evening
My dear Rachel
I looked out for a line
from you this morning but I suppose you
did not get mine so early as I posted it
at the palace on Wednesday. I was then off
to ?hear the concert. You can't guess my girl
what I ? ? way I thought of you"

Now my brain aches so will try some more tomorrow. And you say this is only PART of the letter? Hmmmmm....

Josey
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Cross-written letter
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 06 May 10 01:14 BST (UK) »
This writing is incredible.  I think he must have used a ruler.
I find it easiest to read enlarged to about 200%, with the line I'm reading just slightly above eye-level.

So I've had a go, but there's missing bits, and my eyeballs are screaming "basta"  -- I'll have to come back to it again if someone can give it a bump.  It gets intriguing on the second page....  Maybe there's bits you can fill in from context/family history, Eleanor? 


          "Friday evening
My dear Rachel
I looked out for a line
from you this morning but I suppose you
did not get mine so early as I posted it
at the palace on Wednesday. I was then off
to hear the concert. You can't guess my girl
what a treat it was, I thought of you the whole time
and wished you with me _ I
had a confident? ?? ?? did?
your place  I never heard anything to equal
that concert -- fancy the number of singers
but in that large building the singing? was
not so loud as you might expect I did
not ??? ??? ?? past 11 -- had to stand for
3 1/2 hours in one place and I'll? not get away
but the music kept me ? I felt ? all the
next day the palace?  so as ?? the
effect was grand indeed.  I was loth to
leave the place? last night. I went to the
Tabernacle often ??? Wm? B _
had? a long walk to the to the ???? 4 miles or more
was very tired when I reached home.

page two
Truly wish we lived nearer to them
than we do_ I am getting tired it's near
12 o'clock, so I might finish this in the
morning _ ?x goodnight x_ for? few?

   Saturday Morning
I was in bed when your letter came
naughty boy wasn I? _ but it was
not late ???
he? I didn't get to bed before 12_ ? up at
8_ I was ?? up after the Post? ?? knock
The angl ? find ??? on
my account, It made me think more
than I otherwise ???  but
now you have ?? I am perfectly satisfied
as my confidence in you would not be
??? shaken _ still? my dear Rachel as
far as I know my girl, I don't think I shall
ever forgive myself, -- I know ??? me for
this ??  -- maybe when  - I shall
wish your advice and influence??
I xxxx quick in ???_ than
I ???things ?? give me
hope in the best?? in the
me_ when theres the case we can ? help
??? each other as ? as ???then
I am unhappily writing this g?

VERTICAL
I've had my m? ? well Wa? ?angle? -- I'll give

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Re: Cross-written letter
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 06 May 10 01:37 BST (UK) »
What an incredible letter.
Fascinating to see an example of something I had read about  mentioned in a Georgette Heyer novel .
A way of sending a long letter to save on postal charges.,Something amounting to 6p. per sheet. Quite expensive for those days.

Spring
Dorset: Ackerman,Bungey,Bunter Chant,Hyle
Islington:Bedford, Eaton,Wilkins
Beds,Fulham: Brazier
Shoreditch: Burton,Coverdale
Essex ,Clerkenwell:Craswell,Cresswell
St.Lukes Middx:Doughty, Dunkley
Andover/IOW/Fulham:Gasser
Fulham: Neal
Bucks:Putnam,Wingrove
Bullwell.Notts:Wilkinson
Clerkenwell/Islington:Wyllie
Herts/ Tottenham/Walthamstow:Young

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Re: Cross-written letter
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 06 May 10 01:42 BST (UK) »
What an incredible letter.
Fascinating to see an example of something I had read about  mentioned in a Georgette Heyer novel .
A way of sending a long letter to save on postal charges.,Something amounting to 6p. per sheet. Quite expensive for those days.

Spring

Wouldn't teeny tiny writing have been a better solution?
Wiltshire:  Banks, Taylor
Somerset:  Duddridge, Richards, Barnard, Pillinger
Gloucestershire:  Barnard, Marsh, Crossman
Bristol:  Banks, Duddridge, Barnard
Down:  Ennis, McGee
Wicklow:  Chapman, Pepper
Wigtownshire:  Logan, Conning
Wisconsin:  Ennis, Chapman, Logan, Ware
Maine:  Ware, Mitchell, Tarr

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Re: Cross-written letter
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 06 May 10 01:43 BST (UK) »
Wold the date be 4/Jun/ 10 with an address to follow? (Elderly eyes not too good)

Spring
Dorset: Ackerman,Bungey,Bunter Chant,Hyle
Islington:Bedford, Eaton,Wilkins
Beds,Fulham: Brazier
Shoreditch: Burton,Coverdale
Essex ,Clerkenwell:Craswell,Cresswell
St.Lukes Middx:Doughty, Dunkley
Andover/IOW/Fulham:Gasser
Fulham: Neal
Bucks:Putnam,Wingrove
Bullwell.Notts:Wilkinson
Clerkenwell/Islington:Wyllie
Herts/ Tottenham/Walthamstow:Young

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Re: Cross-written letter
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 06 May 10 01:49 BST (UK) »
Yes Errato, that is probably what we would do, but this method does seem to have been the accepted way ..(only from what I have read, however)

Could be that other letters were sent in miniscule writing..sadly I don't have any examples !!

Spring
Dorset: Ackerman,Bungey,Bunter Chant,Hyle
Islington:Bedford, Eaton,Wilkins
Beds,Fulham: Brazier
Shoreditch: Burton,Coverdale
Essex ,Clerkenwell:Craswell,Cresswell
St.Lukes Middx:Doughty, Dunkley
Andover/IOW/Fulham:Gasser
Fulham: Neal
Bucks:Putnam,Wingrove
Bullwell.Notts:Wilkinson
Clerkenwell/Islington:Wyllie
Herts/ Tottenham/Walthamstow:Young