Bater

[Bobbater]

Looking for info on Charles Bater who married Thomasine (Tammy) Scoins in Chittlehampton 4 Oct 1821.  Their grandson, William Bater settled in Bethany, NY in 1852.

[*Sandra*]

Hello Bobbater,

Welcome to Rootschat

Can we have some more information please ? When was William Bater born ? Was he born in England or the USA ? Who are his parents ? 

I have found a William, son of Richard Bater and Margaret Graddon who married in Chumleigh. Devon 1847. They had 2 children before leaving the UK and then a daughter Sarah A born 22 Apr 1852 in Bethany, Genessee Co, NY.  This William however was'nt born until 10 July 1854 in Bethany.Genesee Co, NY 

[Bobbater]

William Bater was b. 1826 in Burrington, d. 1902 Bethany, Genesee, NY.  I have photos of his gravestone, along with his wife, Harriet (Turner).  William was the son of Robert Bater and Thomasin (Tammy) Scions.  He immigrated to Bethany, NY in 1852.  His wife had a cousin James Turner Jr. in residence in Bethany in 1851.  He also had Scions in-laws who had immigrated to Bethany and Stafford in the 1840s. 

The above Robert Bater was the son of Charles Bater and Loveday Thomas of Roborough, Devon.  Loveday was bap 19 May 1771 in Roborough. Devon.

Robert's children were Mary Ann Bater, b. 1823; John Bater, b. 1824; William Bater b. 1825(6); James Bater, b. 1826, Elizabeth Bater, b. 1831

The Richard Bater you found is probably a cousin to William, but we have not established the link yet.  He immigrated to Bethany in 1851.

[*Sandra*]

This appears to be your Willaim & Harriet 1870 Batavia, Genesee, New York it does not give a relationship to William Aged 80 years.


William Bader 45 England Harriet Bader 39 England Mary Bader 14 New York
William Bader 80 England Harriet Bader New York 8 Helen Bader 6 New York

Can also see a William widowed in 1880 and living with his daughter Harriett and family in 1900 but nothing earlier yet for him or his father Robert. 

[Bobbater]

Thanks for the info on William and Harriet Bater.  Here are their children:

John W.     b. 1852
Lucy

[*Sandra*]

So who is William aged 80 years old - possible Uncle ? 

[Bobbater]

Lucy         b. 1854
Mary        b. 1856
Joseph     b. 1857
William H. b. 1860
Harriet     b. 1862
Helen       b. 1864
Ella           b. 1865

I have the history on all of these children.

The William listed on the 1870 Batavia census is probably Harriet's father,
William Turner.  He would have been 84 in 1870.  It could also be an error in the census and be William's son William H. Bater, who would have been 10 years old in 1870.  My inclination is towards Harriet's father, since there were several Turner families who immigrated to Batavia and area in the 1850s.

William's wife, Harriet died in 1877, hence he was a widow on the 1880 census.

Harriet, by the way, was the daughter of William Turner and Mary Graddon.(married 1826) Mary is of the same family as the Margaret Graddon you mentioned in an earlier email, the wife of Richard Bater.  This is what makes us think there is a strong relationship between William and Richard. It gets complicated.

Everything you see on the internet is in the Bater Book, by Ann Bowerman, of which I have a copy.  Ann has references to Robert and Charles, but has not tied them together and has nothing on Charles' ancestors; hence my query on Rootschat.

Thanks for all your efforts.

[*Sandra*]

Can I just check I have this right.
The original post says Charles Bater married Thomasine (Tammy) Scions and reply 2  says William was the son of Robert Bater and Thomasine (Tammy) Scions.  So father and son both married a woman of the same name ??

[Bobbater]

Sorry,
Robert married Tammy Scoins and his father, Charles, married Loveday Thomas as per third post.

Here is a stray that may be a lead to Charles. There was a Robert Batter, Burrington, who married in 1748, a Thamsin/Thomsin Turner, b. abt 1727.  We haven't been able to link this Robert to anyone because we don't know who is parents were, or his children.

To further confuse things.  The William Turner, who is the father of Harriet Turner, is the son of John Turner, b. 1756 in Chittlehampton and Joan Bater, b. abt 1760, Devon.  John and Joan were married 11 Apr 1785 in Burrington.
The Joan Bater is the d/o John Bater and Margareth (____), both of Chittlehampton.  John and Margareth had a second daughter, named Margareth, b. 4 Oct 1761, d. 19 Apr 1771, age 10.

That leaves us with a Charles Bater who married Loveday Thomas, a Robert Bater who married Thomsin Turner, and a John Bater who married Margareth; all of whom we know little of or nothing of, but because of the relationships to the Turners and the Burrington and Chittlehampton locales, are probably all related.  And there are still the Graddon's to add to the mix, and the unestablished link to Richard Bater.


Yes, William Bater's wife's grandmother was Joan Bater.  Almost incestuous isn't it?