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Re: Emigration of Richard Harding BUTLER and wife Harriet abt 1855.
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 11 May 10 11:22 BST (UK) »
Hi CaroleW, Siouxsie, Logan and Cando

Thanks for all that fantastic information :)

Siouxsie, I hadn't realised that this was Gold Rush time.   That explains a lot.   It must have been very hard for the wives and children, as well as the men.   The climate doesn't sound too friendly either.

Logan, I didn't know that Annie had a second name, or anything about the birth of Charles Moss so thanks for that.

Cando, great to have all the births and actual places of birth.   Some of the dates I had were a year out.   I had them from the 1871/1881 censuses and those are always a bit hit and miss.   Thanks also for the listing of their return from Victoria.    I can't imagine how awful that journey must have been with six small children, one of whom was newly born.   Any idea how long it would have taken?   Is there any sign of the outward journey with just Richard and Harriet ???   I imagine it would have been from Liverpool, as that is where they were married.

CaroleW, I don't have a subscription to Ancestry so would much appreciate you emailing Jean Rolfe for me, if it's not too much trouble.   Thanks for the death of Charles Moss.   Poor little lad.   I don't suppose the long journey did him any good.

You have all been a great help, thankyou :) :) :) :)

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Hendry - Aberdeenshire
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McMillan - Belfast Ireland, Govan Glasgow
MacMillan - Vancouver Canada
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Wernham - Chieveley Berkshire

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Re: Emigration of Richard Harding BUTLER and wife Harriet abt 1855.
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 11 May 10 12:04 BST (UK) »
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I don't have a subscription to Ancestry so would much appreciate you emailing Jean Rolfe for me

I have just sent her a message via Ancestry with the link to this post
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Carlin (Ireland & Liverpool) Doughty & Wright (Liverpool) Dick & Park (Scotland & Liverpool)

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Re: Emigration of Richard Harding BUTLER and wife Harriet abt 1855.
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 11 May 10 16:44 BST (UK) »
Hi CaroleW

That's great.   Thanks a lot :)

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Forrest - Ellon Aberdeenshire, Govan Glasgow
Hendry - Aberdeenshire
Jerrett - Devon, Lancashire
McMillan - Belfast Ireland, Govan Glasgow
MacMillan - Vancouver Canada
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Re: Emigration of Richard Harding BUTLER and wife Harriet abt 1855.
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 11 May 10 22:48 BST (UK) »
Quote from: SamnJoan link=topic=455478.msg3169167#msg3169167 date=1273573327

Thanks for all that fantastic information :)

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Siouxsie[/b], I hadn't realised that this was Gold Rush time.   That explains a lot.   It must have been very hard for the wives and children, as well as the men.   The climate doesn't sound too friendly either.


.....and they often lived in tents or lean-to shacks.........in the middle of winter it would have been dire.........and summer would have been stifflingly hot!  There are lots of great articles online that could give you a more complete picture of the living conditions of the time.

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Re: Emigration of Richard Harding BUTLER and wife Harriet abt 1855.
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 12 May 10 01:26 BST (UK) »
Hi Joan

I have just had a reply from Jean Rolfe.  She has no connection to your Butlers but had noticed the error in the birthplace so reported it
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Re: Emigration of Richard Harding BUTLER and wife Harriet abt 1855.
« Reply #14 on: Friday 14 May 10 13:05 BST (UK) »
Hi Siouxsie and CaroleW

Sorry not to have replied to your answers before :-[

Siouxsie   Thanks for that.   You really have to admire the families trying to survive under those horrendous conditions, but I suppose the lure of gold explains it.   I shall read more.

CaroleW   Thankyou for all your trouble.   Pity about Jean Rolfe, but she was worth a try.

Thanks again to you both,

Joan

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Hendry - Aberdeenshire
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Re: Emigration of Richard Harding BUTLER and wife Harriet abt 1855.
« Reply #15 on: Monday 17 May 10 11:46 BST (UK) »
Looks like the Butlers chased the gold .. here's some info on the obscure birthplaces..

Gold was discovered in 1854 at Woolshed [Valley].
Charles Cropper when droving his sheep from Manaroo to Laceby on the King River in 1838, camped by a stream, (Reedy Creek), and as his sheep were in very poor condition, he was compelled to rest up and to shear them. Cropper erected a temporary wooden structure, a woolshed. Later on the Reid Brothers used it. The whole valley was referred to as the Woolshed, and the name stayed to this day.
http://www.albury.net.au/~tim/eldhist.htm

There's no town of Indi I can find, so possibly the birth place refers to Indigo Valley or the simply electorate of Indi that covered Wodonga, Wangaratta, Glenrowan, Benalla, Euroa, Nagambie, Mansfield, Bright, Myrtleford and the Victorian snowfields. There is a Parish of Indi but its' many many miles away, no mining in the era and no direct route from Beechworth region.



 
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Re: Emigration of Richard Harding BUTLER and wife Harriet abt 1855.
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 21 June 11 20:49 BST (UK) »
Hi mrwilson

I have just picked up your message, somewhat belatedly, so sorry for the delay in replying :-[

Thanks for your information.   I dare say a lot of places were named as people travelled around, after people or activities.

The website is fascinating.   Thankyou for all your trouble.

Joan
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Forrest - Ellon Aberdeenshire, Govan Glasgow
Hendry - Aberdeenshire
Jerrett - Devon, Lancashire
McMillan - Belfast Ireland, Govan Glasgow
MacMillan - Vancouver Canada
Thornley - Warwickshire
Wernham - Chieveley Berkshire

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Re: Emigration of Richard Harding BUTLER and wife Harriet abt 1855.
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 18 October 16 20:27 BST (UK) »
I have a Richard Harding Butler, b1829 in Dublin, Ireland, and wife Harriet nee Pender b1830 in Falmouth, Cornwall.   They emigrated to Australia somewhere between their marriage in Liverpool in 1852 and the birth of their first child in 1856.

They had five children born in Australia:   
                     Richard Pender Butler b1856 Victoria
                     Harriet Harding Butler b1858 Beechworth
                     John James Butler b1859 Beechworth
                     Peter Duncan Butler b1861 Beechworth
                     Annie J Butler b1863 Beechworth

By the birth of their sixth child in 1866 they were back in Liverpool. 

I believe that father Richard Harding Butler was a greengrocer at some point in his life.  I have no idea why they went to Australia, except perhaps to find a better life, or when or why they returned to England ???

Also, can anyone tell me where Beechworth is ???

Can anyone help me please?

Hello SamnJoan. Richard Harding Butler was my husband's great, great, grandfather. My father and mother-in-law did some research on him. When they came back to Liverpool they bought 3 ships apparently to import fruit and veg. The name Pender has been handed down as a middle name to my husband's siblings.