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Re: Charlotte POWELL, born c. 1801 [Middx]
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 11 May 10 04:54 BST (UK) »

Following up on Elizabeth POWELL born 1821 ish and this is the closest I can find on a census for her.. not been able to find a marriage...



1861 Census England Middlesex Westminster St Margaret
RG9/53/11/27
2 New Court

POWELL
Elizabeth Head Wid 38 Laundress Middlesex Hampstead
Albert NORRIS Son Unmarr 5 Scholar Middlesex Westminster

Was Albert like Louisa Mary... born out of wedlock but given his father's surname.  Elizabeth styled herself widow so as to avoid gossip???

Then I found on the 1881 ... Albert NORRIS born 1856 Westminster married to Amy... I tracked his marriage certificate and in the space for details about Father.... it simply says Dead... no name or occupation... just Dead.

Probably means born out of wedlock....

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Re: Charlotte POWELL, born c. 1801 [Middx]
« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 11 May 10 05:23 BST (UK) »


This is Eliza's baptism was transcribed as BOWELL

St John at Hampstead Camden
March 7th 1845

POWELL Eliza daughter of Thomas POWELL Labourer and his wife Charlotte of Hampstead.  Born February 10th 1845.

And Henry.... was BOWEL

St John Hampstead Camden
September 3rd 1826

POWELL Henry son of Thomas POWELL Labourer and his wife Charlotte of Hampstead.  Born August 1st 1826.

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Thanks - yes dates tally for Eliza. I have 1829 for Henry but tollerably close.

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Re: Charlotte POWELL, born c. 1801 [Middx]
« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 11 May 10 05:25 BST (UK) »
Baptism of Elizabeth also transcribed incorrectly

St John Hampstead Camden
October 23rd 1821

POWELL Elizabeth daughter of Thomas POWELL Labourer and his wife Charlotte of Hampstead.  Born September 23rd 1821,

Elizabeth I have 1822. Definitely the right people! :)
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Re: Charlotte POWELL, born c. 1801 [Middx]
« Reply #30 on: Tuesday 11 May 10 05:34 BST (UK) »

Following up on Elizabeth POWELL born 1821 ish and this is the closest I can find on a census for her.. not been able to find a marriage...



1861 Census England Middlesex Westminster St Margaret
RG9/53/11/27
2 New Court

POWELL
Elizabeth Head Wid 38 Laundress Middlesex Hampstead
Albert NORRIS Son Unmarr 5 Scholar Middlesex Westminster

Was Albert like Louisa Mary... born out of wedlock but given his father's surname.  Elizabeth styled herself widow so as to avoid gossip???

Then I found on the 1881 ... Albert NORRIS born 1856 Westminster married to Amy... I tracked his marriage certificate and in the space for details about Father.... it simply says Dead... no name or occupation... just Dead.

Probably means born out of wedlock....

Karenlee

Many thanks

Would it be possible for me to go beyond Thomas POWELL? I think he is born abt 1799 and dies circa 1841-1857, I am quite interested in the paternal POWELL side and was wondering if I could get back to his father? Are there in fact birth certificates beyond 1800 or records of baptisms please?

Thanks again :)

Ric
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Re: Charlotte POWELL, born c. 1801 [Middx]
« Reply #31 on: Tuesday 11 May 10 05:59 BST (UK) »

Ric

UK BMD Certificates are available from 1838 onwards.  Prior to that you need Parish Registers... like the baptisms that I have been searching for you.

Going back from Thomas POWELL is possible... he does not appear on the 1851 Census which is disappointing because that would have told us where he was born.  The 1841 says he was not born in the County of Middlesex.

Marriages before 1838 don't have parents of the bride and groom on them.

The age of Thomas POWELL on the 1841 Census is very hard to read..... it could be 42,45 or 48.

There is a burial record that might be useful as follows...'

St John at Hampstead Camden
May 4th 1845

POWELL Thomas of Hampstead died April 28th 1845 aged 53

Not being able to properly see his age in 1841 means that this could well be him and if it is then his birth year would be closer to 1792 than to 1800. His youngest child Eliza was baptised in April 1845.

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Re: Charlotte POWELL, born c. 1801 [Middx]
« Reply #32 on: Tuesday 11 May 10 13:09 BST (UK) »

Ric

UK BMD Certificates are available from 1838 onwards.  Prior to that you need Parish Registers... like the baptisms that I have been searching for you.

Going back from Thomas POWELL is possible... he does not appear on the 1851 Census which is disappointing because that would have told us where he was born.  The 1841 says he was not born in the County of Middlesex.

Marriages before 1838 don't have parents of the bride and groom on them.

The age of Thomas POWELL on the 1841 Census is very hard to read..... it could be 42,45 or 48.

There is a burial record that might be useful as follows...'

St John at Hampstead Camden
May 4th 1845

POWELL Thomas of Hampstead died April 28th 1845 aged 53

Not being able to properly see his age in 1841 means that this could well be him and if it is then his birth year would be closer to 1792 than to 1800. His youngest child Eliza was baptised in April 1845.

Cheers
Karenlee


Thanks Karenlee, I searched FreeBMD between 1841-1857 for Thomas's burial record and could not find that Hampstead entry, so this is gratefully received. Certainly gives me something to go by. Yes, I'd got 1845 for Eliza's birth, good to tally these dates.

Sincere thanks,

Ric
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Re: Charlotte POWELL, born c. 1801 [Middx]
« Reply #33 on: Tuesday 11 May 10 13:23 BST (UK) »

St Pancras Parish Church Camden
April 8th 1861

BENWELL George Of Full Age Bachelor Labourer James Street Camden Town John BENWELL Dead
POWELL Louise Of Full Age Spinster James Street Camden Town Thomas POWELL Dead

Witnesses John Edward TOOMES and Mary Elizabeth TOOMES

So George BENWELL replaces George HUNT here please? Even though Geo HUNT is recorded as Louisa's child's father on her marraige certificate of 1883, between John INNELL and Louisa Mary POWELL?

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St Pancras Parish Church Camden
September 20th 1851

TACK William Of Full Age Bachelor Labourer Park Street Thomas TACK Dead
POWELL Ann Of Full Age Spinster Park Street Thomas POWELL Dead

Witnesses were James TILBY and Sarah TILBY

So therefore it is possible that this is yours too...

Karenlee



Ann is new to me - with thanks  :)

Ric
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Re: Charlotte POWELL, born c. 1801 [Middx]
« Reply #34 on: Tuesday 11 May 10 23:59 BST (UK) »

Morning Ric

I found Ann on the 1841 Census and the witnesses at her marriage helped me to track Sarah's marriage.  The only child of Thomas and Charlotte that I have not yet found anything other than census data for is Charlotte....

I was ready to dismiss the POWELL/BENWELL marriage until I saw the witnesses.  Will chase them up on the census and see where they were and if there were any other children for Louisa.

As for the death for Thomas POWELL, if that is him, then he was buried in Hampstead but that does not mean his death was registered there...he may have died away from home and his body returned for burial in the family churchyard....... theory only of course.

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Re: Charlotte POWELL, born c. 1801 [Middx]
« Reply #35 on: Wednesday 12 May 10 00:08 BST (UK) »


It appears that Louisa had several more children with George BENWELL....

1881 Census England Middlesex Hampstead
RG11/166/67/47
7 Stamford Place

BENWELL
George Head Marr 46 Cab Driver out of Employ Middlesex Hampstead
Louisa Wife Marr 40 Middlesex Hampstead
George Son Unmarr 19 Groom Domestic Service Middlesex Hampstead
John Son Unmarr 16 Labourer Middlesex Hampstead
Clara Dau Unmarr 13 No Occupation Middlesex Hampstead
Alice Dau Unmarr 10 Scholar Middlesex Hampstead
Walter Son Unmarr 7 Scholar Middlesex Hampstead
Sarah Dau Unmarr 5 Scholar Middlesex Hampstead
Rose Dau Unmarr 2.5 Middlesex Hampstead
Emily Dau Unmarr 9mths Middlesex Hampstead

I will hunt down baptisms etc for these children

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