Suffolk birth place & Signatures

[Alexander.]

I have been trying for ages to determine what Edward Butcher's birthplace is (the first line below). It is clearly Suffolk, but there is no such place as "Goring" in Suffolk, and I was wondering if I was just reading it wrong. I am aware that there is a place called Goring in Sussex, but if that was the case it seems unlikely that Edward would give his birthplace as Suffolk in 1861 as well.

I have posted on the Suffolk board about this before...to avoid any duplication:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,389437.0.html. The 1851 census reference is HO107/1529, Folio 255, Page 10.

But we weren't able to come to any conclusions about where Edward was born. Could the expert decipherers have a look to see what they can make it out to be?

Thanks,
Alexander

[Yorkslass]

Hello Alexander,

It certainly looks like Goring...

I had a look at your other thread, and then wondered if the Family Search pilot site had an Edward Butcher born Suffolk, around 1800 - it does, but this one was born Exning, Suffolk, 1799, to a John and Elizabeth.

It might be worth a look -  http://www.rootschat.com/links/08oo/   

Yorkslass

[Alexander.]

Thanks Yorkslass. I will keep the Exning one on the "possibles" list.

I have another question about Edward as well. I have been trying to find who was Edward's first wife, since he was a widower at his marriage in 1848. So I've been quite desperate and started going through other London marriages comparing the signatures. I've come up with another one in 1824 that I think looks quite similar, just without the final flourish. Keeping in mind that 24 years would separate the two, do you think these are the same people?

[Jean McGurn]

Just a thought

There's a Goring in Sussex maybe the enumerator either misheard the county or if he had written down in a book misread his notes.

Think there may have also been a family of that name in Sussex as well.

Jean

[Yorkslass]

That's a difficult one.
The slope of the writing is very similar, as is the curl on the top of the "d"'s.....
but the "E" and the "B" are a bit different.

The "rd" at the end of Edward are similar too.  It could well be the signature of the same man, but not a definite!

Yorkslass

[Jean McGurn]

I agree with Yorklass especially about the letter E. The second E looks like it is written in one fluid movement.

I did a similar thing with my letter E's during my teenage years after I saw someone's writing with the greek E - like the number 3 but back to front - and thought it looked good.

I now nearly always write the letter like that although on some occasions I do it the 'normal' way.

Jean

[Greensleeves]

In the 1861 Edward's birthplace is noted as just 'Suffolk' - how frustrating!

[Greensleeves]

There is a Gosling Green near Groton, Babergh, Suffolk, which might be a possible.  (I've been looking through the list of Suffolk villages on Wiki.)

[Nick29]

Just a thought

There's a Goring in Sussex maybe the enumerator either misheard the county or if he had written down in a book misread his notes.

Think there may have also been a family of that name in Sussex as well.

Jean

Just to clarify a common mis-conception - an enumerator wouldn't "mis-hear" anything because he didn't fill in the house-holder forms (they were not allowed to).   However, householders that couldn't read or write often got others to fill the forms in for them, and that's where the confusion could have occurred, (or as you correctly surmised), it could have been a later mis-transcription from the form filled in by the house-holder.

Incidentally, there's a Goring Toad in Ipswich - whether it was there in 1861 isn't clear.