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William Evans, Elizabeth Davies and their parents - any help?
« on: Sunday 23 May 10 15:22 BST (UK) »
I've been trying to work out how to get information on William Evans, Elizabeth Davies and their parents.
I'm a bit stuck and thought I'd ask the collective knowledge of the forum for some help.

Here's what I know so far...

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Thomas Evans ========= Mary Thomas      Daniel Davies ===== Mary ?
   ? - ?         |      ? - c1862                       |
                 |                                      |
         /-------+-------\
       Son            William Evans =========== Elizabeth Davies
                 10.08.1851 - 18.06.1931  |  27.09.1854 - 11.06.1941
                         m.1874           |
  |-----------------------
                                          |                      |
                                   John Camwy Evans          10 Others
                                   10.02.1885 - 1963

Thomas Evans and Mary Thomas are from Betws a'r Trelech, Carmarthen
Daniel and Mary Davies are from Felin Newydd, Cynwyl Gaeo, South Wales
William Evans was born in Crug-y-bar, Carmarthenshire
William moved to Pentre, after his mother died, with his brother  worked in the mines and attended Shiloh Chapel.
He emigated to Patagonia in 1875 after marrying Elizabeth in 1874.

So both William and Elizabeth should be on the 1861 with their parents and on the 1871 census too but with such common names I'm having difficulty identifying the correct records.

Having looked for the marriage certificate of William and Elizabeth I ordered Q3 1874 Llandilofawr 11a 1089, only to realise this was incorrect. That left Q4 1874 Pontypridd 11a 617 and Q1 1875 Carmarthen 11a 885... I suspect it is the later.

So, some of the questions I have are:

1. How do I go about getting birth, marriage and death dates for both William and Elizabeths parents?
2. How do I find out the name of Williams brother?
3. Do work records exist for the mine in Pentre?

I think I have William and Elizabeths family covered from when they arrived in Patagonia, it's the Welsh history I'm having problems with.

Appreciate any help you can give me.

regards,
David
Cain, Cragg, Crump, Davies, Dougherty, Evans, Griffiths, Sweetland

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Re: William Evans, Elizabeth Davies and their parents - any help?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 25 May 10 02:44 BST (UK) »
Hello David,

In 1881 I have found the Davies family at New Mill, Conwill Cayo, Carmarthen
Daniel Davies Head age 63 born Llansawel around 1818  Miller and Farmer (Corn)
Mary Davies Wife age 64 born Cayo around 1817  Miller's Wife
Sarah Davies Daughter age 24 born Llansawel around  1857 Miller's daughter
John Davies Grandson age 7 born Llansawl around 1874  Scholar

RG11 5386/22 Page 15

*Felin Newydd = New Mill

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Re: William Evans, Elizabeth Davies and their parents - any help?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 25 May 10 12:55 BST (UK) »
Morgan,

Many thanks for spotting this it has allowed me find several other references to them already (1891 and 1901 census).

I guess what I can learn from this is that I should search on the English transaction when dealing with the Welsh census!

Thanks again, I really do appreciate you taking the time to look at this.

regards,
David
Cain, Cragg, Crump, Davies, Dougherty, Evans, Griffiths, Sweetland

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Re: William Evans, Elizabeth Davies and their parents - any help?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 25 May 10 21:12 BST (UK) »
David,

you're very welcome! The names are so common that you need to track them in Census records to help narrow the date range to search for death records. I'll have a look for the Evans family to see if I can spot them. Do you think they came from Tre-lech a'r Betws or Cynwil Caio?

Morgan

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Re: William Evans, Elizabeth Davies and their parents - any help?
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 25 May 10 23:10 BST (UK) »
Morgan,

I've managed to find the Davies family on all the census returns from 1851 to 1901 now, collecting a number of new people along the way... plenty for me to work through there. Daniel dies somewhere between 1891 and 1901, Mary some time after the 1901 census. The family lived in Llansawell between 1851 and 1871. First child found so far was in 1842, so I should be able to start working out the marriage date soon. If I get to work out one of the birth dates of their children I should get details on their parents and most importantly Marys maiden name.

Thomas and Mary Evans are apparently from Betws a'r Trelech (taken from a book published in Patagonia about the settlers), but their son was born in Crug-y-bar (according to the book by Huw Edwards the newsreader) which is just down the road from Elizabeth and New Mill - which would make sense.

regards,
David

ps. thanks for the PM
Cain, Cragg, Crump, Davies, Dougherty, Evans, Griffiths, Sweetland

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Re: William Evans, Elizabeth Davies and their parents - any help?
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 25 May 10 23:36 BST (UK) »
David,

That's great. Did Daniel have 3 servants in 1861? Elizabeth's mother Mary was born in Cilycwm?

Check out Thomas Evans in Conwil Cayo in 1861 with Mary and sons David and William.
Thomas b 1829 Cayo age 32
Mary b1830 Calley (actually Talley) age 31
David b1852 Cayo age 9
William b1856 Cayo age 5

I know the dates are not an exact fit and it's Cayo rather than Trelech a'r Betws but worth a look....
Once we get census right, we can try for PR search!

Best Wishes
Morgan

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Re: William Evans, Elizabeth Davies and their parents - any help?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 26 May 10 01:07 BST (UK) »
Morgan,

It's getting late so I'll check out the Evans one later today  :)

These are the census records for Davies

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                  1861               1871               1881               1891               1901
             RG9 4127/6 Pg 5   RG10 5482/4 Pg 2   RG11 5386/22 Pg 15  RG12 4507/14 Pg 4  RG13 5101/13 Pg 1
                Parkwillim         Park Willim         Newmill             Newmill            Newmill

Daniel Davies    age 47             age 54            age 63              age 73             dead
Mary Davies   age 48             age 56            age 64              age 75             age 86
Daniel Davies     -                  age 23            -                   -                  age 52
Mary Davies   age 9              -                 -                   -                  -
Elizabeth Davies  age 7              age 17            -                   -                  -
Sarah Davies   age 4              -                 age 24              -                  -
David Davies   age 3              age 12            -                   -                  -
John Davies       -                  -                 age 7               age 18             -



1851
HO107 2471/7 Pg 7
Tyr Gwilim

Daniel Davies  34
Mary Davies 35
James Davies 9
John Davies 7
William Davies 5
Daniel Davies 3
Thomas Davies 1

regards and thanks,
David
Cain, Cragg, Crump, Davies, Dougherty, Evans, Griffiths, Sweetland

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Re: William Evans, Elizabeth Davies and their parents - any help?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 26 May 10 10:29 BST (UK) »
think this could be them in 1841, next to David & Lettice Williams as in 1851.

Weyon, Llansawel HO107/1381/15 folio 6 pg 7
Daniel Davies 20 ag lab
Mary 20
David 2
all born in county

possible marriage
Daniel Davies june qtr 1839 Llandilofawr vol 26 pg 529 with Mary Roderick on the same page

possible baptism from extracted IGI batch C082651 for Cynwyl Gaeo
Mary bp 2/7/1815 dau of David & Mary Roderick

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: William Evans, Elizabeth Davies and their parents - any help?
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 26 May 10 22:07 BST (UK) »
David

When I read your request, something clicked but I couldn't remember what! now I remember reading this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mystory/stories/discovery/173471/

Best Wishes
Morgan