58th Regiment of Foot

[cyntax]

Hi Bernice,

I found Anne CAVANAGH married Owen CUMMINS on 28 February, 1858.  I am sure this is the couple you are looking for, as there were many spelling errors made in early days of registration.

A Mary COMMONS died 1840, as registered in NZ.

All the best,
Bev

[cyntax]

More to the last message I sent - Anne is still listed as Cummins at time of death - Anne CUMMINS death 01 July 1898, aged 65 years.  Quite strange that they spelt Owen's death as COMMONS !! Bev

[majm]

http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~garter1/shipsthe58th.htm
http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~garter1/surnames58th.htm

Owen COMMONS listed twice, suggesting there were TWO in that regiment by that name.  There were also TWO with surname CAVANAGH .... James and John....  Given that when deaths occurred within the rank and file that often the widows remarried soldiers in those ranks (maintaining the access to pensions to help raise the children of a first marriage etc), could James and/or John CAVANAGH be connected to Anne Cavanagh who married Owen Cummins in 1858?  Would a printout of that 1858 marriage show the marital status for the bride and groom ... perhaps both were widowed...

I have had a good look through my list for 1855 NSW Rifles Corp, none with surnames Commons/Cummins and variants, and none with surname Cavanagh and variants. But I do know that several of my NSW forebears did cross the Tasman around this era and re-join Auckland Volunteers. having arrived in NSW as part of the 58th Reg.

Cheers,  JM

 

[bernice52]

Hi Bev
You mention Owens death is as COMMONS but when was it please?
I cant find them buried either
Many thanx for all your help
Cheers Bernice

[bernice52]

Sorry Bev of course I have Owens death from Alison & papers past
Cheers Bernice

[majm]

NZ BDM online is back up after maintenance and gives this on the death index 

1889/1657

Commons

Owen

70Y

[majm]

Some trivia re 58th Reg and the WYNYARD families

http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/wynyard-edward-buckley-2825

Edward Buckley WYNYARD was at one stage in his early military career in the 58th Reg.  In Sept 1847 he "succeeded Sir Maurice O'Connell in command of the troops in New South Wales, Van Diemen's Land and New Zealand."

Also another WYNYARD chap mentioned earlier on this thread

In November 1858 the Rutlandshire Regiment of Foot Disbanded.  A few of the soldiers of that Regiment returned to England with their Commanding Officer, Colonel Robert Henry Wynyard.  So dont know what he did after his discharge.

All the best with your research of the 58th.

Bev 

The military barracks for the garrison forces were (until the construction of Victoria Barracks c 1846) facing Wynyard Square.  My military forebears were quartered in the barracks at Wynyard (York St Sydney) and their parade ground was Wynyard Square.  The parade ground was where the NSW Rum Corps marched from when they were bringing down Governor Bligh (he of the Bounty ! 'twas back in 1808, only time the military staged a successful coup d'état in NSW and Australian history).   

http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/aboutsydney/HistoryAndArchives/SydneyHistory/ParksHistory/WynyardPark.asp

http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-an10759912-s13

Cheers,  JM

[cyntax]

Hello again Bernice,
There is a book published by the NZ Genealogical Society, written by Lyn and Hugh Hughes, namely 'Discharged in New Zealand'.  It has lists of all the Rank and file of all Regiments involved in the formation and security of early NZ. 
No Officers are listed in this book.
Owen COMMONS -Pvt. 1632 - from Tipperary was a labourer when he joined the 58th Rutlandshire Regiment of Foot 09 July 1842.  He took his discharge in NZ -31 May 1853. 
There is only one Owen Commons listed with the 58th in their book.
Cheers,
Bev

[bernice52]

You are a treasure Bev
I had his # as 1832 but can see how that could be easily be a mistake
I still cant find the information on the UK archives  though
Many Thanx for your help
Cheers Bernice