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Re: Joseph Semple, John Semple and Jane Semple
« Reply #18 on: Monday 12 June 17 11:45 BST (UK) »
No problem - just back up to Kalilileth's information

Kearney & Bourke/ Johns & Fox/ Mannion & Finan/ Donohoe & Curley
Byrne [Carthy], Keeffe/ Germaine, Butler/ McDermott, Giblin/ Lally, Dolan
Toole, Doran; Dowling, Grogan/ Reilly, Burke; Warren, Kidd [Lawless]/ Smith, Scally; Mangan, Rodgers/ Fahy, Calday; Staunton, Miller
Further generations:
Brophy Coleman Eathorn(e) Fahy Fitzpatrick Geraghty Haverty Keane Keogh Nowlan Rowe Walder

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Re: Joseph Semple, John Semple and Jane Semple
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 14 June 17 04:17 BST (UK) »
http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0041

Baptism Francis Parker at St. Mary's Cork:

June 1833
10
Francis
John Parker & Julia Fitzgerald
Spp.  John Parker.  Bridget Fitzgerald
Francis Parker

And his siblings:

1826
April 23
John
John Parker & Julia F'z.Gerald
Jer'h. S. Murphy. Jane F'z.Gerald
John Parker

September 1827
2
Mary
John Parker & Julia Fitzgerald
Daniel Haly. Eliza Scannell
Mary Parker

August 1830
19
Thomas Francis
John Parker & Julia Fitzgerald
Henry O'Regan.  Eliza Ryan

January 1832
29
Augustin
John Parker & Julia Fitzgerald
John Sullivan.  Catherine Murphy
Augustin Parker

His death:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1896/05904/4675421.pdf

Superintendent Registrar's District Galway Union
Registrar's District Galway No:2
1896 Deaths Registered in the District of Galway No: 2
In the Union of Galway
In the County of Galway

Entry: 11
1896 Twentieth March  Dominick Street
Francis Parker
Male
Married
62 years
M.D.
Primary Congestion of lungs 1 year  Secondary Heart disease  10 days Certified
John A. Parker P.P.  brother of deceased  Present at death Dominick Street
Twenty eighth March 1896
Thos. Lydon Assist. Registrar



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Re: Joseph Semple, John Semple and Jane Semple
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 14 June 17 04:18 BST (UK) »
The two boys were at boarding school in 1901:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Castleknock/Castleknock/1268904/

Residents of a house 107.1 in Castleknock (Castleknock, Dublin)

Parker   John   16   Male   -   Catholic   Co Galway   Pupil   Read and write   -   Not Married   -
Parker   Frank   13   Male   -   Catholic   Co Galway   Pupil   Read and write   -   Not Married   -


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Re: Joseph Semple, John Semple and Jane Semple
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 14 June 17 04:19 BST (UK) »
Marriage of John Parker:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/cf84a07224805?b=https%3A%2F%2Fcivilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie%2Fchurchrecords%2Fcivil-perform-search.jsp%3Fnamefm%3Djohn%26namel%3Dparker%26location%3D%26yyfrom%3D1901%26yyto%3D1911%26type%3DM%26submit%3DSearch

Superintendent Registrar's District  Galway Union
1906 Marriage solemnized at the Roman Catholic Church of St. Joseph in the Registrar's District of Galway No: 2  In the Union of Galway in the County of Galway

Entry 129
25th August  1906

John A. Parker
22
Bachelor
Clerk
Dominick Street
Francis Parker
Medical Doctor

Agnes McDonald
Full
Spinster
----
Lower Salt Hill
Patrick J. McDonald
Farmer

Married at the Roman Catholic Church of St Joseph according to the Rites & Ceremonies of the Roman Catholic church by me:  Rev. J. Keely C.C.

This marriage was solemnized between us:
John A. Parker
Agnes McDonald

In the presence of us:
John Freeman
Mary McDonald

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Cork_No__3_Urban/Cahergal_Terrace/385569/

1911 Census:

Residents of a house 4 in Cahergal Terrace (Cork No. 3 Urban, Cork)
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Surname   Forename   Age   Sex   Relation to head   Religion   Birthplace   Occupation   Literacy   Irish Language   Marital Status   Specified Illnesses   Years Married   Children Born   Children Living
Parker   John   26   Male   Head of Family   Catholic   Galway   Living on Interest of Money   Read and write   -   Married   -   5   2   2
Parker   Agnes   27   Female   Wife   Catholic   Queen's County   -   Read and write   -   Married   -   4   2   2
Parker   Francis   2   Male   Son   Catholic   Cork   -   Cannot read or write   -   Single   -   -   -   -
Parker   Ethel      Female   Daughter   Catholic   Cork   -   Cannot read or write   -   Single   -   -   -   -



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Re: Joseph Semple, John Semple and Jane Semple
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 14 June 17 04:20 BST (UK) »
Their children:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/3a8f1b3295359?b=https%3A%2F%2Fcivilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie%2Fchurchrecords%2Fcivil-perform-search.jsp%3Fnamefm%3Dfrancis%26namel%3Dparker%26location%3D%26yyfrom%3D1908%26yyto%3D1911%26type%3DB%26submit%3DSearch%26sort%3D%26pageSize%3D100%26century%3D%26decade%3D%26exact%3D%26ddBfrom%3D%26ddMfrom%3D%26ddDfrom%3D%26ddPfrom%3D%26mmBfrom%3D%26mmMfrom%3D%26mmDfrom%3D%26mmPfrom%3D%26yyBfrom%3D%26yyMfrom%3D%26yyDfrom%3D%26yyPfrom%3D%26ddBto%3D%26ddMto%3D%26ddDto%3D%26ddPto%3D%26mmBto%3D%26mmMto%3D%26mmDto%3D%26mmPto%3D%26yyBto%3D%26yyMto%3D%26yyDto%3D%26yyPto%3D%26locationB%3D%26locationM%3D%26locationD%3D%26locationP%3D%26keywordb%3D%26keywordm%3D%26keywordd%3D%26keywordp%3D%26event%3D%26district%3D

Superintendent Registrar's District Cork
Registrar's District No:1
Births Registered in the District of No: 1
In the Union of Cork
In the County of Cork

Entry: 103
1908 Twentieth September 4 Cahergal Terrace
Francis Stanislaus
Male
John Parker 4 Cahergal Terrace
Agnes Parker formerly McDonald
Gentleman
Kate Shanahan Present at Birth 2 O'Riordan's Square
Twenty third September 1908
J. Sullivan Assistant Registrar

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/cd36221377470?b=https%3A%2F%2Fcivilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie%2Fchurchrecords%2Fcivil-perform-search.jsp%3Fnamefm%3Dethel%26namel%3Dparker%26location%3D%26yyfrom%3D1908%26yyto%3D1911%26type%3DB%26submit%3DSearch%26sort%3D%26pageSize%3D100%26century%3D%26decade%3D%26exact%3D%26ddBfrom%3D%26ddMfrom%3D%26ddDfrom%3D%26ddPfrom%3D%26mmBfrom%3D%26mmMfrom%3D%26mmDfrom%3D%26mmPfrom%3D%26yyBfrom%3D%26yyMfrom%3D%26yyDfrom%3D%26yyPfrom%3D%26ddBto%3D%26ddMto%3D%26ddDto%3D%26ddPto%3D%26mmBto%3D%26mmMto%3D%26mmDto%3D%26mmPto%3D%26yyBto%3D%26yyMto%3D%26yyDto%3D%26yyPto%3D%26locationB%3D%26locationM%3D%26locationD%3D%26locationP%3D%26keywordb%3D%26keywordm%3D%26keywordd%3D%26keywordp%3D%26event%3D%26district%3D

Superintendent Registrar's District Cork
Registrar's District No:1
Births Registered in the District of No: 1
In the Union of Cork
In the City of Cork

Entry: 278
1911 Nineteenth February 4 Cahergal Terrace
Ethel Marie
Female
John Parker 4 Cahergal Terrace
Agnes Parker formerly McDonald
Nil
Kate Shanahan Present at Birth 186 Barrackton
Thirteenth March 1911
J. Sullivan Assistant Registrar


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Re: Joseph Semple, John Semple and Jane Semple
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 14 June 17 04:20 BST (UK) »
1911 Census for his brother Francis:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rotunda/Gardiner_s_Place/31571/

Residents of a house 21 in Gardiner's Place (Rotunda, Dublin)
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Lacy   Bride   50   Female   Head of Family   Catholic   Brays County   -   Read and write   -   Widow   -   -   -   -
Green   William   65   Male   Boarder   Church of Ireland   City of Dublin   Barrister in Practice   Read and write   -   Single   -   -   -   -
McGuiness   Patrick   30   Male   Boarder   Catholic   Co Antrim   2rd Durdan Clerk Charlasment House   Read and write   Irish and English   Single   -   -   -   -
Parker   Frances   22   Male   Boarder   Catholic   Galway City   Chemists Assistant   Read and write   -   Single   -   -   -   -
McGuiness   Stephen   32   Male   Boarder   Catholic   Co Antrim   Insurance Agent   Read and write   Irish and English   Single   -   -   -   -
Bane   Thomas   30   Male   Boarder   Catholic   Co Derry   Chemists Assistant   Read and write   Irish and English   Single   -   -   -   -
Smyth   Stephen   37   Male   Boarder   Catholic   Co Kildare   Grocers Assistant   Read and write   -   Single   -   -   -   -
Fahey   Mary   30   Female   Servant   Catholic   Kings County   General Domestic Servant   Read and write   -   Single   -   -   -   -

His Marriages:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/33a1f36941791?b=https%3A%2F%2Fcivilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie%2Fchurchrecords%2Fcivil-perform-search.jsp%3Fnamefm%3Dfrancis%26namel%3Dparker%26location%3D%26yyfrom%3D%26yyto%3D%26type%3DM%26submit%3DSearch%26sort%3D%26pageSize%3D100%26century%3D%26decade%3D%26exact%3D%26ddBfrom%3D%26ddMfrom%3D%26ddDfrom%3D%26ddPfrom%3D%26mmBfrom%3D%26mmMfrom%3D%26mmDfrom%3D%26mmPfrom%3D%26yyBfrom%3D%26yyMfrom%3D%26yyDfrom%3D%26yyPfrom%3D%26ddBto%3D%26ddMto%3D%26ddDto%3D%26ddPto%3D%26mmBto%3D%26mmMto%3D%26mmDto%3D%26mmPto%3D%26yyBto%3D%26yyMto%3D%26yyDto%3D%26yyPto%3D%26locationB%3D%26locationM%3D%26locationD%3D%26locationP%3D%26keywordb%3D%26keywordm%3D%26keywordd%3D%26keywordp%3D%26event%3D%26district%3D


Superintendent Registrar's District of Dublin North

1917 Marriage solemnized at the Roman Catholic Pro Cathedral of Marlboro St. in the Registrar's District of  N. City No; 1  W. In the Union of N. Dublin in the County of  City of Dublin

Entry 61
September 17 1917

Francis Parker
Full
Bachelor
Chemist
9 Gt. Denmark St.
Francis Parker
Chemist

Josephine Fitzpatrick
Full
Spinster
----
52 Mountjoy Square
Patrick Fitzpatrick
----

Married at the Roman Catholic Pro Cathedral of Marlboro St according to the Rites & Ceremonies of the Roman Catholic church by me:  Myles V. Ronan


This marriage was solemnized between us:
Francis S. Parker
Josie Fitzpatrick (Josephine)

In the presence of us:
Joseph Kinehen
Elizabeth Fitzpatrick


Death of his wife:

12/06/2017
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/772ad89606927?b=https%3A%2F%2Fcivilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie%2Fchurchrecords%2Fcivil-perform-search.jsp%3Fnamefm%3Djosephine%26namel%3Dparker%26location%3D%26yyfrom%3D1917%26yyto%3D1928%26type%3DD%26submit%3DSearch

Name   Josephine Parker
Year of Death   1921
Group Registration ID   3120379
SR District/Reg Area   Dublin
Deceased Age at Death   22
Civil Status   Married

Marriage:

12/06/2017
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/a354e36725306?b=https%3A%2F%2Fcivilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie%2Fchurchrecords%2Fcivil-perform-search.jsp%3Fnamefm%3Dfrancis%26namel%3Dparker%26location%3D%26yyfrom%3D%26yyto%3D%26type%3DM%26submit%3DSearch%26sort%3D%26pageSize%3D100%26century%3D%26decade%3D%26exact%3D%26ddBfrom%3D%26ddMfrom%3D%26ddDfrom%3D%26ddPfrom%3D%26mmBfrom%3D%26mmMfrom%3D%26mmDfrom%3D%26mmPfrom%3D%26yyBfrom%3D%26yyMfrom%3D%26yyDfrom%3D%26yyPfrom%3D%26ddBto%3D%26ddMto%3D%26ddDto%3D%26ddPto%3D%26mmBto%3D%26mmMto%3D%26mmDto%3D%26mmPto%3D%26yyBto%3D%26yyMto%3D%26yyDto%3D%26yyPto%3D%26locationB%3D%26locationM%3D%26locationD%3D%26locationP%3D%26keywordb%3D%26keywordm%3D%26keywordd%3D%26keywordp%3D%26event%3D%26district%3D

Superintendent Registrar's District  Dublin Union
1928 Marriage solemnized at the Roman Catholic Church of St. Audoen . in the Registrar's District of No: 2 South CIty In the Union of Dublin in the County of  City of Dublin

Entry 102
July 16  1928

Parker Francis
33
Widower
Chemist Asistant
65 Ranelagh Road
Parker Francis
Doctor

Dorothy Fitzpatrick
Full
Spinster
----
6 Ushers Island
Patrick Fitzpatrick
Clerk

Married at the Roman Catholic Church of St Audoen according to the Rites & Ceremonies of the Roman Catholic church by me:  Peter Canon Monahan P.P.


This marriage was solemnized between us:
Francis Parker
Dorothy Fitzpatrick

In the presence of us:
William Abraham
Sheila Curran


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Re: Joseph Semple, John Semple and Jane Semple
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 14 June 17 17:51 BST (UK) »
Many thanks Kalilileth – you’ve been doing a lot of research here! 

I’ve had to go back through my records to check who is who with this section of the family.  It can get quite confusing when our ancestors used the same first names in one generation after another!
I didn’t know anything much about Dr Francis Parker’s background so all the information about his parents and brothers and sisters is very interesting and I will look into this more now.  I knew he had come from Cork because I found him listed in the Medical Registers of 1867 and 1879, but not much else.

I knew his son, Francis J Parker, had been married twice.  Josephine sadly died of TB at age 22 – I have a copy of her death certificate.  I haven’t found any records of children from either of FJP’s marriages.

It is interesting that the two sons seemed to have fared differently financially.  When John A Parker got married in 1906 he was a clerk in Galway, but by the time of the 1911 census he was “living on interest of money” in Cork.  Meanwhile, his brother Francis was a chemist’s assistant in Dublin in 1911 and had the same occupation in 1928 at the time of his second marriage, so obviously not quite so fortunate.

Thanks for looking into all of this.

Malcolm

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Re: Joseph Semple, John Semple and Jane Semple
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 14 June 17 22:39 BST (UK) »
Back to the Semple Builders/Architects for a moment...

I was puzzled as to the reason why Jane married in Dublin.  I wonder if this gives a clue?  My gut says there is a link between Galway John & Dublin John...

http://www.dia.ie/architects/view/4866/SEMPLE%2C+JOHN+%5B3%5D


Dictionary of Irish Architects 1720 - 1940

    SEMPLE, JOHN [3]
    Born: 1801 Died: 1882

Architect, of Dublin. John Semple, the second son of JOHN SEMPLE [2]   and his wife Mary Russell, was born in 1800 or 1801. He presumably received his training in building from his father; Bolger records measuring 'bricklayer's work done at Trinity College…by John Semple, junr' in October 1821.(1) In 1823 or 1824 he was taken into partnership by his father who had been appointed architect to the Board of First Fruits for the ecclesiastical province of Dublin. While 'John Semple & Son' are named in the directories from 1825 until 1832 as jointly occupying this position, it is the younger man who is generally regarded as having designed an idiosyncratic series of churches, which were built between 1825 and 1831. Shortly before the dissolution of the Board in 1833, the Semples were replaced by FREDERICK DARLEY[2].  (2)

Semple was admitted a freeman of the City of Dublin as a member of the Bricklayers' Guild by Grace Especial at Michaelmas 1830. During the following decade he played an increasingly active role in the affairs of Dublin Corporation. He was a junior high sheriff for 1831-32;(3) and sheriff's peer from 1838 until 1841.(4) In July 1832 he was appointed joint engineer of the pipe water works with ANDREW COFFEY  , at Coffey's request,(5) and within the next twelve months he became sole occupant of the post.(6) He was briefly suspended in January 1834, 'unpleasant matters' having been alleged against him,(7) but was reinstated in May after he had successfully argued his innocence.(8) By 1836 he was also architect to the Dublin Prisons Board.(9) In Pettigrew & Oulton's Almanack for the years 1839 until 1843 he is described as 'architect to the City Prisons, Roads and Pipe Water Works'.

A survey of a proposed new road from Donnybrook Bridge to Rock Road 'through Mr Semple's ground and the nursery', dated 9 December 1841, is among the Pembroke Estate papers in the National Archives.(10)

It appears to have been after his father's death in 1840 that Semple's career took a downward turn. By 1844 he had been succeeded by CHARLES TARRANT   as engineer to the Pipe Water Establishment. The directories indicate that at about the same time he moved into his barrister brother James's house in Donnybrook and that he gave up his Dublin office in 1848. In 1849 he went bankrupt(11) in connection with the development of Belgrave Square, Monkstown.(12) He is not listed in the directories between 1857 and 1861. In the latter year he was an entrant in the St Andrew's church competition, but his design was rejected as old- fashioned.(13) He reappears in the directories in 1862, when he was living at a house in Pleasant's Street with James. The two brothers subsequently moved to 78 Heytesbury Street, where James died in 1869. In 1776 John Semple went to live with his eldest son John George (d. 1900) at 6 Ontario Terrace, Rathmines, and died there from age and contusions after a fall on 15 October 1882. He had married Harriet Cuppaidge in 1832(14) and had at least eight children.


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Re: Joseph Semple, John Semple and Jane Semple
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 14 June 17 22:42 BST (UK) »
...continued...

Addresses:(15) Work: 21 Marlborough Street (as John Semple & Son), 1824-1829; 20 Marlborough Street (as John Semple & Son), 1830-1833; City Assembly House, William Street, 1836; 40 Dame Street, 1838-39; 31 College Green, 1841; 12 College Green, 1841;(16) 13 College Green, 1843-1848.
Home: Lilliput, Donnybrook, 1836-1843; Eglinton House, Seaview Terrace, Donnybrook, 1844-47; Seaview Terrace, Donnybrook, 1849-1850; Merrion Lodge, Merrion, 1852-1853; Air Lodge, 50 Rathmines Upper, 1856; 21 Pleasant's Street, 1857-1869; 78 Heytesbury Street, 1870-1871; 5 Harrington Street, 1872-1873; 6 Ontario Terrace, Rathmines, 1876 until death.

See WORKS, BIBLIOGRAPHY.


References

All biographical information in this entry not otherwise accounted for is from Étain Murphy, A Glorious Extravaganza: the history of Monkstown Parish Church(2003), 56-65. Semple's church architecture has been treated by M. Craig, 'John Semple and his churches', Irish Arts Review Year Book 1989-1990, 145-150, and Cormac Allen, 'The Semple Temples: the church architecture of John Semple & Son', unpublished architectural dissertation submitted to UCD. 1993.  (Cormac Allen also wrote a more comprehensive account of the Semples' work in 'The Architecture of John Semple & Son', an unpublished M Arch Sc thesis submitted to UCD in 1995, Information from Colm O'Brien, Apr 2012.)


(1) Bolger MSS, NA PRO 1A 58,128.
(2) Allen (1993), p.5, suggests that the death of Archbishop William Magee in 1831 'may have deprived his architects of an influential sponsor in the 1834 reorganisation of the Church of Ireland's building activities'.
(3) CARD XVIII, 515; XIX, 3.
(4) CARD XIX, 113.
(5) CARD XIX, 65.
(6) CARD XIX, 113.
(7) CARD XIX, 128.
(8) CARD XIX, 142.
(9) IAA, Edward McParland files, Acc. 2008/44.
(10) NA, Pembroke Estate collection, 2011/2/3/3.
(12) Dublin Evening Post, 9 Jun 1849.
(12) Information from Frederick O'Dwyer.
(13) Craig, op. cit., above, 150.
(14) Appendix to the Thirtieth Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records in Ireland, 950.
(15) From Wilson's, Pettigrew & Oulton's, Post Office Thom's directories (and Jones's transcripts from latter), and Murphy, op.cit., above, 65.
(16) This is his address on the road survey in the National Archives, dated 9 Dec 1841 (see note 10, above).


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