ELPHICK, Madeline Lily

[heywyre]

I note on the marriage certificate it is listed as Lily Madeline.  

Chris would you be so kind as to see if there are any Lily Elphick/Green in the 1901 census?

Much appreciated

Judy

[Chris in 1066Land]

Hi

On the 1901 census on line there were 3 Lily Elphicks aged 3, 10 and 15.

This one looked the best - but wrong father

Database: 1901 England Census

May 20, 2004
9:15 PM
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Name Age in 1901 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island
 
Edith Elphick 27  Hastings, Sussex, England Wife  Portsmouth  Hampshire    
Frederick Elphick 33  Udimore, Sussex, England Head  Portsmouth  Hampshire    
Frederick Elphick 2  Southsea, Hampshire, England Son  Portsmouth  Hampshire    
Lily Elphick 10  Peckham Daughter  Portsmouth  Hampshire  
 
Chris in 1066Land

[heywyre]

Interesting Chris!!

Especially the fact that Frederick and Louisa "Edith"  Elphick were witnesses at my "Lily's" wedding (on her marriage certificate)

On February 14, 1920 she was 29 years of age so that would be pretty much dead on.  However, it is the parents' names that totally confuses me.  

What would you suggest I do next ?  I am somewhat new to this game

Your assistance, once again, would be greatly appreciated.

Judy

[Chris in 1066Land]

Hi heywyre

Its got me just as much confused as you.

Not sure what to suggest as yet, it all seemed so straight forward to begin with.

I reckon we have to try and find that Birth of Lily /Madeline to verify who her father was/is - but dont give up on that entry above, keep it in the back of your mind.

Will go back to the 1891 to see if I can find a very young Lily / Madeline

Chris in 1066Land

[Chris in 1066Land]

Hi

1891 census came up with the following two entries

Database: 1891 England Census
May 20, 2004
10:14 PM
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Name Age in 1891 Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house Civil parish County  
 
Elphick, Lily 7.12 Grimsby, Lincolnshire Daughter  Clee with Weelsby  Lincolnshire  
Elphick, Lily 7 Hastings, Sussex Daughter  Ore  Sussex  
 
Whilst Madeline Elphick produced just one family - but parents are wrong


Elphick, Ethel, 3 Peckham Daughter Camberwell London
Elphick, Fred 24 Udimore, Sussex Head Camberwell London
Elphick, Madeline 4months Peckham Daughter Camberwell London
Elphick, Olive 23 Sunbridge, Kent Wife Camberwell London

Makes life more confusing don't it

Chris in 1066Land       

[heywyre]

She would definitely have been about that age - perhaps Fred remarried?

Gawd - how confusing

[Gardener]

Don't know if this helps but there is an entry in FBMD for a marriage of Frederick Victor J Elphick, Brighton, 2b,488,Sept qtr 1895 and there is a Louisa Edith Coussens on the same page.
Also there is a death for Olive Hearn Elphick,Wandsworth,1d,603,Mar qtr 1895

So that all seems to fit except, didn't you say her father was Henry?

[heywyre]

Wow - now that would make total sense - even though it is the wrong father.  But, maybe, for whatever reason, Fred was really her uncle and Henry and his wife died ?

This is all too weird

[heywyre]

In the 1891 and 1901 census the Fred seems to be the same guy

However, what happened to Olive and Ethel - the death in 1895 that I found was an Oliver (age-0) so there is a possibility Olive died during childbirth

But what became of Ethel - I couldn't find a death for her (at least not in the information I had)

And, there was an extra Fred in the picture - which could have been through the new marriage