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Beaconsfield, John Gilder,1850
« on: Saturday 05 June 10 23:13 BST (UK) »
Looking for links to Gilder Family who lived in Beaconsfield.  John Gilder had a son Edward who came to NZ about 1860.  Little is known about life prior.

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Re: Beaconsfield, John Gilder,1850
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 05 June 10 23:51 BST (UK) »
Hi and welcome to Rootschat

Is that the Beaconsfield in Buckinghamshire?

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Re: Beaconsfield, John Gilder,1850

1850 cannot be his birthyear if Edward went to NZ in 1860

When was Edward born?  Was he born in Buckinghamshire or elsewhere?
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Re: Beaconsfield, John Gilder,
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 06 June 10 00:53 BST (UK) »
My mistake, death certificate for Edward shows born Benneston, Yorkshire came to NZ age 11.

 Father John Gilder born 1821 Burnham, Buckingham, England.  Mother Amelia Gilder nee Beverley.  Both lived at Beaconsfield, Buckingham.

Edward is my great grandfather. Would like to know more about John's family. This is a recent discovery - links with London.

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Re: Beaconsfield, John Gilder,1850
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 06 June 10 01:00 BST (UK) »
Hi

John & Amelia only married in 1856

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Marriages June qtr 1856   
 
Amelia Beverley    Howden  9d 158   
John Gilder/Gelder   

This is a submitted IGI record

Amelia Beverley   Christening:  23 FEB 1834   Howden, Yorkshire
Father:  Andrew Beverley    Mother:  Amelia Bradley     

Marriages:   Spouse:  John Gelder    Marriage:  02 JUN 1856   Howden, Yorkshire, 
 
The only John Gilder b Burnham on the 1851 census was b 1818 and married to Emma

Several children including a John b 1838 Farnham Royal Bucks

You need a copy of the 1856 marriage cert to establish who John's father was

The 1861 shows John & Emma with a son Edward aged 4months
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Re: Beaconsfield, John Gilder,1850
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 06 June 10 01:25 BST (UK) »
The NZ BMD's show deaths for Amelia 1886 aged 51 therefore born c1835
John 1895 age 61 therefore born c1834
Edward 1942 age 79 born c1863

These are the only John, Amelia and Edward

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Re: Beaconsfield, John Gilder,1850
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 06 June 10 01:53 BST (UK) »
1861 census RG09/3563/59/6
Firtree House Farm Luddington Lincolnshire
Farquahar Robertson farmer of 378 acres
John Gelder 25 foreman born Luddington
Amelia 26 born Howden Yorkshire
Annie 2 born Howden
Andrew 9 months born Howden

On the next farm is Edward and Mary Gelder born Luddington

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Re: Beaconsfield, John Gilder,1850
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 06 June 10 01:58 BST (UK) »
1871 RG10/4733/34/8
Grove Cottage Farm Howden Yorkshire
John Gelder 35 farmer of 29 acres b Luddington
Amelia 37 b Howden
Ann 12 Ouselthorpe
Andrew B 10 Spaldington
Edward 6 Middleton
Edith M 4 Searner?
Thomas 1 Howden
Amelia Beverley wife's mother 76. Reading Berkshire
The transcript says ALL born Yorkshire but is clearly wrong.
Haven't found them in 1881 yet

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Re: Beaconsfield, John Gilder,1850
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 06 June 10 02:15 BST (UK) »
NZ BMD's show possible marriages for Gilder
Andrew Beverley to Elizabeth Smith 1889
Edward to Agnes Smyth 1892

Edith Maude to George Bigwood 1892
Ann to George Crow 1879

So they arrived in NZ between 1871 and 1879 and their surname changed from Gelder to Gilder.

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Re: Beaconsfield, John Gilder,1850
« Reply #8 on: Monday 07 June 10 02:56 BST (UK) »
Thank you Carole. It appears I have some more work to do putting all this together.  I have received more information about John and Amelia.  John's son Edward married Agnes Smyth.  That is confirmed.  Will obtain John's death certificate.