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TRESTRAIL from Hayle, Cornwall
« on: Saturday 12 June 10 06:16 BST (UK) »
Grandfather was Percival Powning Trestrail born Feb. 26th 1885 married to Bessie Knight born March 29th 1893.  They lived at 5 Clifton Terrace in Hayle - row housing  My grandfather was a mariner and worked with the British Navy for many years.  They had one son, my father, William Percival Trestrail - born Jan. 7 1924.  They sailed to New York around 1930.

I THOUGHT my grandfather, Percival Trestrail's parents were Albert Trestrail (born around 1860) and Minnie (Jenkin) Trestrail. They lived on Bodriggy Rd. in Hayle.  But there seems to be a conflict.  It's like my grandfather's parents just vanished with no records.  It also seems he lived with his grandfather and grandmother at age 15.  Maybe while he was on the naval ships at a young age, something happened to his parents.  But why no record.  I will have to find or purchase his birth certificate.

I was told my great grandparents are buried in the  Hayle church graveyard, but I could not find their tombstone in 1990 when I visited the church. 

Bessie (Knight) Trestrail's father was John Thomas Knight of Hayle.  I didn't have a record of Bessie Knight Trestrail's mother, but thanks to this great site, I found out today that her name was Bessie (Tremlett) Knight.   

Percival and Bessie Trestrail were married in

Parash Phillack of Hayle
S. Elwyn Vicarage
Wesleyian
P.E. & Berry - Pastor
on Feb. 3rd 1923   

My grandfather, Percival Powning Trestrail, was in the Royal Navy.  He sailed out of St. Ives either to come to America or with the Navy.  We were told he was only SEVEN when he boarded the Naval ships, trained,  and took off to sea.  I think that is incorrect.  They made laws to protect young children, except under odd circumstances or pauper laws. 

Once in New York, my father went to New York City public schools, and he met my Mother whose family was from Cambourne, Cornwall.  My mother's name was Elizabeth Joan Gill.  That will be under another subject title.  Mother's grandfather's surname was Uren.  Mother's mother, Rubina Uren married Horace Gill of Cambourne.

My parents William and Elizabeth (Gill) Trestrail had two children, my Brother James William Trestrail, and myself, Linda Joan Trestrail.  

I had lots of family documents and gave them to my two sons inside two leather bound family tree books and both of them misplaced or tossed out the books. I'm devastated over their loss.

In August 1990, I had been to COrnwall, Cambourne, Hayle and visited Phillack, and the minister took me to a Trestrail family who lived on the sea.  Ken and Rachael Trestrail lived at 82 Gwithian Towans in Hayle. They were not related to my family. 

Trestrail - from tre-strayl:  homestead of mat or carpet (maker).  Place name Trestrail,  Probus, spelt Trestrael 1278   

Anyone related to me?   

Linda Joan Trestrail
Trestrail  - My maiden name -  My Father's side from Hayle
Knight -
Tremlett
Hosking
Powning
Freethy
Matthews
Jenkin
Woolcock
Crocker
Robertson
Holman
Hichens
Badge
Goldsack
Curtis
Uren  - My Mother's side from Cambourne/Gwinear/Wendron/Helston
Gill
Penpraze
Trewin
Hendra
Secombe
Symonds
Edwards
Hocking

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Re: Trestrail from Hayle, Cornwall
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 12 June 10 12:24 BST (UK) »
A warm welcome to Rootschat!  ;D

Is this your Bessie's family in 1901?

30 Penpol Tce, West Phillack RG13/2245 folio 13 pg 18
Thomas Knight head mar 36 foreman of roads b. Cornwall
Bessie wife 32 b. Devon
John son 12 b. Devon
Beatrice M dau 10 b. Devon
Bessie dau 8 b. Cornwall
Charles E son 6 b. Cornwall
Gladys dau 4 b. Cornwall
Alfred S son 2 b. Cornwall

her birth reg
Bessie Knight june qtr 1893 Redruth vol 5c pg 223

1891 7 Ordnance Row, Devonport RG12/1743 folio 44 pg 27
Thomas Knight head mar 26 general labourer b. Cornwall, Mawgan
Bessie wife 22 b. Devon, Devonport
John son 2 b. Devon, Plymouth
Beatrice M dau 1 month b. Devonport
Sarah Tremlett mother-in-law widow 42 own means b. Devonport
George Tremlett brother-in-law 19 general lab b. Devonport
Alfred Tremlett brother-in-law 17 gen lab b. Devonport
George Sleeman loder 30 gen lab b. Devonport


marriage reg
Bessie Tremlett march qtr 1889 Plymouth vol 5b pg 448 with Thomas Knight on the same page
Marriage cert would give you details of fathers & occupations. This looks like
baptism record for Thomas
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/moreinfo.php?ID=1368270&dbtype=baptisms&formval=

By the way, probably a good idea to remove details of living people from your post to fall in with  Rootschat's policy.

 ;)
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Trestrail from Hayle, Cornwall
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 12 June 10 15:12 BST (UK) »
I wish I had the original records, but  I do remember my grandmother, Bessie Knight Trestrail's father being a road worker on the birth certificate.  I had no clue that she had other brothers and sisters.  Bessie died of breast cancer in 1953 in Brooklyn, NY when I was only 3.  I still have her beautiful lamp and perfume bottles and an inlaid dresser and mirror.  I am almost certain that this is my father's mother's blood line. 

 
Trestrail  - My maiden name -  My Father's side from Hayle
Knight -
Tremlett
Hosking
Powning
Freethy
Matthews
Jenkin
Woolcock
Crocker
Robertson
Holman
Hichens
Badge
Goldsack
Curtis
Uren  - My Mother's side from Cambourne/Gwinear/Wendron/Helston
Gill
Penpraze
Trewin
Hendra
Secombe
Symonds
Edwards
Hocking

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Re: Trestrail from Hayle, Cornwall
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 12 June 10 16:06 BST (UK) »
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/

has Bessie's baptism recorded in Hayle Methodist circuit
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/moreinfo.php?ID=28799&dbtype=baptisms_nc&formval=

You can get copies of the certificates from the GRO to confirm details
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

I think you may need to get a copy of Percy's birth certificate as the census is not showing the parents as given
Percy Powning Trestrail march qtr 1886 Redruth vol 5c pg 233

1891 Prospect Place, Phillack RG12/1852 folio 50 pg 34
William Trestrail head mar 72 showmaker b. Phillack
Eliza wife 68 b. Goldsithney
Elizabeth dau single 40 chair caner b. Goldsithney (blind from childhood)
Minnie dau single 25 tailoress b. Hayle
Percy grandson 5 b. Hayle

1901 Bodiggy St, Phillack RG13/2245 folio 59 pg 14
William Trestrail head widower 83 shoemaker b. Phillack
Elizabeth A dau 50 chair caner b. Perranuthnoe (blind)
Percy grandson 15 work (?) boy (farm) b. Phillack

Minnie's marriage was registered march qtr 1897 Falmouth vol 5c pg 299 to either Frederick Burton or Thomas Bourchier Daniels
No sign of an Albert Trestrail in this family or one marrying a Minnie.

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb


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Re: Trestrail from Hayle, Cornwall
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 12 June 10 16:44 BST (UK) »
this marriage reg for the grandparents looks to explain Percy's middle name

William Trestrail dec qtr 1843 Redruth vol 9 pg 299 with Eliza Powning on the same page

Possible for Eliza's baptism?
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/moreinfo.php?ID=981461&dbtype=baptisms&formval=
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Trestrail from Hayle, Cornwall
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 12 June 10 17:30 BST (UK) »
My spelling night be wrong.  Pounding might not be the right way to spell it. 
Percival Pounding (Powning) Archibald Trestrail was my grandfather.  He was born FEBRUARY 26 1885.

He and Bessie Knight (her mother's maiden name is tremlett) had ONE child, my father, William Percival Trestrail who was born Jan 7th 1924 in Hayle.

When they moved to NY, my father, William Percival met Elizabeth Joan Gill in Brooklyn NY and they married in NY on June 28, 1947.  

My mother's family came from Cambourne.  Urens and Gill. 
Trestrail  - My maiden name -  My Father's side from Hayle
Knight -
Tremlett
Hosking
Powning
Freethy
Matthews
Jenkin
Woolcock
Crocker
Robertson
Holman
Hichens
Badge
Goldsack
Curtis
Uren  - My Mother's side from Cambourne/Gwinear/Wendron/Helston
Gill
Penpraze
Trewin
Hendra
Secombe
Symonds
Edwards
Hocking

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Re: Trestrail from Hayle, Cornwall
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 12 June 10 18:50 BST (UK) »
the only bmds for a Percy Trestrail on the GRO index in Cornwall are the birth reg in march qtr 1886 and the marriage in 1923. There is no Percival showing up in bmds or on the census. The Percy that I posted is the only one who appears.

The marriage is indexed as
Percy P Trestrail march qtr 1923 Redruth vol 5c pg 319 to Bessie Knight

I'm just going by the official records.

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Trestrail from Hayle, Cornwall
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 12 June 10 19:44 BST (UK) »
Ok, there are some strange coincidences going on here. I widened the search to the whole GRO index and there is this birth reg

Percival Powning Trestrail june qtr 1885 Gateshead vol 11a pg 882a

almost as far as away from Cornwall as you can be and still be in England

The Percy who was registered in the Redruth died in the same quarter.

There is a Trestrail family in Gateshead, headed by a son of William & Eliza called Thomas
birth reg
Thomas P?wning Trestrail march qtr 1861 Redruth vol 5c pg 307
marriage before the move north
Thomas George P Trestrail sept qtr 1882 vol 5c pg 355 with Matilda Goldsack on the same page

No sign of a Percival Trestrail on the census. Just the Percy I've given you and one born in Devon. If he was registered in Gateshead, why does he show up as being born in Phillack/Hayle? I've used the free search on the 1911 census and he's still showing up as Percy born Hayle in a schedule classified as military in Devonport - Devonport was mainly Naval.
http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/StokeDamerel/devonport.html

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: TRESTRAIL from Hayle, Cornwall
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 13 June 10 00:25 BST (UK) »
I only have a paper I typed up from the information on those old documents that my darling sons misplaced or lost. 

Here is what I wrote down on my paternal side.  My father was WIlliam Percival Trestrail.  He came over to NY around 1930 on a ship with his parents, Bessie and Percival Trestrail. 

Grandparents

Percival Powning Trestrail born Feb. 26 1885.  He was a mariner by trade and in the Royal Navy.  He left home at 7 to work on the ships.  At age 36, he married Bessie Knight - entry of marriage - registered in the Redruth District.

Bessie Knight Trestrail born March 29, 1893.  Baptized May 1, 1893 at Hayle Circuit Chapels. Residence in Angarrack.   Housewife.  Moved to Brooklyn NY with husband, Percival, after their wedding on Feb. 3, 1923 at the Parish House of Elwyn in Hayle.  Docket # B138948 in Redruth District.

Bessie Trestrail (nee Knight) died January 13, 1953 in Brooklyn,  New York, at age 60 from breast cancer.

Percival Powning Trestrail died on Long Island, New York, June 22, 1968 at age 80 from emphysema .  
 
Great Grandparents

Albert Trestrail, father of Percival.  He married Minnie Jenkin and they lived on Bodriggy Rd. in Hayle.

Minnie Jenkin, mother of Percival, She and Albert are buried in the Hayle CHurch graveyard.  I could not find a tombstone in 1990.  The cemetery was in poor shape and an elderly gentlemen came out and told me to watch out for the adder snakes in the tall grasses.  The pastor invited me in for a pasty, and said that the records were being updated. 

John Thomas Knight, father of Bessie.   

mother - unknown but THANKS TO YOU I AM SO HAPPY I KNOW HER NAME, SARAH TREMLETT FROM DEVONPORT.  

The military records are lost thanks to my sons, and the information I got was from the marriage licenses of Percy and Bessie, and earler from the military records from the British Navy.   

 
Trestrail  - My maiden name -  My Father's side from Hayle
Knight -
Tremlett
Hosking
Powning
Freethy
Matthews
Jenkin
Woolcock
Crocker
Robertson
Holman
Hichens
Badge
Goldsack
Curtis
Uren  - My Mother's side from Cambourne/Gwinear/Wendron/Helston
Gill
Penpraze
Trewin
Hendra
Secombe
Symonds
Edwards
Hocking