Author Topic: TRESTRAIL from Hayle, Cornwall  (Read 14803 times)

Offline xinia

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 7,150
    • View Profile
Re: TRESTRAIL from Hayle, Cornwall
« Reply #18 on: Monday 14 June 10 07:25 BST (UK) »
It is so sad that you have misplaced these documents.. But now you can get them all again (hopefully) and keep them on disc or pen safe.  Your sons will also regret misplacing them one day!

xin
Sutherland, Himsley, Finnie, Robertson Edgar Short  Patrick  Creighton, McCallum,Brown, Henderson, Stark Green, Draycott, Clarke, Yorke, Norris, Haywood, Moore, Argyle, Patrick,Tallack, Hellyar, Pope, Raven, Lobb.. Hook -Smeeton - Heafford - Freeman -Craddock - Crane - Smalley -Ashton Spriggs Swingler cotton riddington York gilbert mattock and more :)





One of the most difficult things to give away is kindness, it is usually returned.

UK Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nation

RootsChat is the busiest, largest free family history forum site in the country. It is completely free to use. Register now.
Also register instantly with Facebook or Twitter (and other social networks). Start your genealogy search now.


Offline osprey

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,543
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: TRESTRAIL from Hayle, Cornwall
« Reply #19 on: Monday 14 June 10 10:35 BST (UK) »
Aaargh, I just typed up a long post which my computer then lost. and now I haven't time to repeat as I have to go to work. I have all the Testrail family census entries from 1851 on. Minnie is not her given name, she's really Emily Eliza and she did marry a Jenkin, but Joseph, not Albert in 1893.

William's parents' marriage
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/moreinfo.php?ID=388721&dbtype=marriages&formval=

His baptism was 8/3/1818 shows on this site
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~phillack/phillack_pr.htm
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

RootsChat is the busiest, largest free family history forum site in the country. It is completely free to use. Register now.
Also register instantly with Facebook or Twitter (and other social networks). Start your genealogy search now.


Offline trestrail

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 50
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: TRESTRAIL from Hayle, Cornwall
« Reply #20 on: Monday 14 June 10 12:13 BST (UK) »
Thank you for taking the time to write that letter.† So annoying when the computer acts up.† I am so blown away by this site and all the kind help you've been providing in such an amazingly short time.†

I only have one brother.† The Trestrail family from Percival & Bessie Trestrail's end is rather small.† The name will not go on forever on this end, but descendants will.†

I emailed to my brother, James William, (he has no listed permanent house address or phone number to contact him) and asked if he took any of our Grandfather Percival Powning Trestrail's† (died June 22 1968 in NY) Naval metals after our father, William Percival Trestrail passed away on Feb. 22 1984.† HE DID.† My brother has a metal detector and is collecting many rare old coins in the town of Southold, Long Island, NY.† Many King George II coins, and other rare coins from 1600's in a town that was once ruled by the English and the Duke.† He loves old coins and metals.

WELL GUESS WHAT he had in his jewerly box?† My Grandfather, Percy's metal.† I want to send a picture of it.† Maybe through the number on it we can get my grandfather's parent's name right.

L.S.R.N.† 222034 - that was his naval number† I know my grandfather was in the Boar War and the First World War.

Long Standing Royal Navy

Linda Trestrail
Trestrail  - My maiden name -  My Father's side from Hayle
Knight -
Tremlett
Hosking
Powning
Freethy
Matthews
Jenkin
Woolcock
Crocker
Robertson
Holman
Hichens
Badge
Goldsack
Curtis
Uren  - My Mother's side from Cambourne/Gwinear/Wendron/Helston
Gill
Penpraze
Trewin
Hendra
Secombe
Symonds
Edwards
Hocking

Offline trestrail

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 50
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: TRESTRAIL from Hayle, Cornwall
« Reply #21 on: Monday 14 June 10 22:29 BST (UK) »
Everyone called my grandfather, Percy.  I think he was not fond of the name Percival.  My Dad said his name was Percival Powning Archibald Trestrail.  And he laughed when he said it.  The date of my Grandfather's birth is wrong on this document.  It is not Feb. 16, but Feb. 26th.  Because my brother found that medal, I was able to find this document.  Now on to finding my Grandfather's birth certificate. I think there are more medals somewhere.
    
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?queryType=1&resultcount=1&Edoc_Id=6942931
Trestrail  - My maiden name -  My Father's side from Hayle
Knight -
Tremlett
Hosking
Powning
Freethy
Matthews
Jenkin
Woolcock
Crocker
Robertson
Holman
Hichens
Badge
Goldsack
Curtis
Uren  - My Mother's side from Cambourne/Gwinear/Wendron/Helston
Gill
Penpraze
Trewin
Hendra
Secombe
Symonds
Edwards
Hocking

Offline strayer

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 34
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: TRESTRAIL from Hayle, Cornwall
« Reply #22 on: Monday 14 June 10 22:32 BST (UK) »
William's death cert ref is March qtr 1904 Redruth 5c 183 age 85 whilst Eliza's is Dec qtr 1900 Redruth 5c 136 age 76.
Their children are:
Mary Jane †born about 1844 (possibly Dec qtr 1844 Redruth 9 267)
Elizabeth Ann †born about 1849
Charlotte Powning bapt 4 Dec 1855 Phillack
Thomas G Powning born †March qtr 1861 Redruth 5c 307
Eliza Emily born June qtr 1866 Redruth 5c 326

Thomas G P married Matilda Goldsack Sept qtr 1882 Redruth 5c360 & moved to Gateshead.

Eliza Emily (Minnie) married William Henry Jenkin March qtr 1893 Redruth 5c 329
William H & Eliza E's second child (the first boy) was bapt William Arthur Powning Jenkin on 20 February 1896 at Phillack. The family were living in Bodriggy St in the 1901 Census but Eliza E was a widow by the 1911. Elizabeth Ann Trestrail †had moved in with Eliza Emily & family by then.

I have not located any other bapt- other than Charlotte's. Were the others bapt?, if so, where?

Dave
Trestrail

Offline trestrail

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 50
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: TRESTRAIL from Hayle, Cornwall
« Reply #23 on: Monday 14 June 10 23:10 BST (UK) »
1891 Prospect Place, Phillack RG12/1852 folio 50 pg 34
William Trestrail head mar 72 showmaker b. Phillack
Eliza wife 68 b. Goldsithney
Elizabeth dau single 40 chair caner b. Goldsithney (blind from childhood)
Minnie dau single 25 tailoress b. Hayle
Percy grandson 5 b. Hayle

1901 Bodiggy St, Phillack RG13/2245 folio 59 pg 14
William Trestrail head widower 83 shoemaker b. Phillack
Elizabeth A dau 50 chair caner b. Perranuthnoe (blind)
Percy grandson 15 work (?) boy (farm) b. Phillack

Hi Dave,

Thank you for writing tonight.  This is time consuming stuff.  I was amazed when I went into a site (???)  from Cornwall and just typed in Trestrail for ALL records.  Blimey  It went back to 1600 and many of the Trestrails came from the Truro area.  (Kenwyn parish) 

What I sent  (above) is what someone sent (maybe you or osprey).† It is a census that only includes 2 children Elizabeth and Minnie at the time, and my GRANDFATHER is listed as a household member but as "grandson".† He is listed at age 5 and age 15.
WHERE WERE HIS PARENTS AND WHO ARE THEY?  How do I find his birth certificate?  I understand I have to pay for it. That would be a big help to me to send a link. 
 Note the reason Elizabeth moved in with Minnie is because she was BLIND.†

So are we related, do you think?  It all started in 1278 in Probus.

sleep tight

in loving kindness,
Linda Trestrail
Trestrail  - My maiden name -  My Father's side from Hayle
Knight -
Tremlett
Hosking
Powning
Freethy
Matthews
Jenkin
Woolcock
Crocker
Robertson
Holman
Hichens
Badge
Goldsack
Curtis
Uren  - My Mother's side from Cambourne/Gwinear/Wendron/Helston
Gill
Penpraze
Trewin
Hendra
Secombe
Symonds
Edwards
Hocking

Offline osprey

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,543
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: TRESTRAIL from Hayle, Cornwall
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 15 June 10 09:52 BST (UK) »
You can order a copy of his birth cert from at the cost of £9.25. They take credit cards.

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

You need the GRO ref
Percy Powning Trestrail march qtr 1886 Redruth vol 5c pg 233
Perhaps he added a year to his age to join up earlier?

census as promissed
1851 North of Trevassack, Phillack HO107/1916 folio 662 pg 47
William Trestrail head mar 32 shoemaker
Eliza wife 29 b. Perrranuthnoe
Mary jane dau 6
Elizabeth Ann dau 2
all born Phillack except where stated

1861 Back Row, Hayle RG9/1586 folio 100 pg 37
William Trestrail head mar 43 shoemaker
Eliza wife 40 b. Perranuthnoe
Mary J dau 17
Elizth Ann dau 12 blind
Charlott dau 6
Thomas son 4 months
all born Phillack unless otherwise stated

1871 Prospect Place, Hayle RG10/2327 folio 72 pg 61
William Trestrail head mra 52 shoemaker
Eliza wife 49 b. Perranuthnoe
Thomas G P son 10
Eliza Emily dau 4
all born Phillack unless otherwise stated

1881 Prospect Place, hayle RG11/2337 folio 66 pg 57
Wm Trestrail head mar 60 shoemaker b. Phillack
Eliza wife 58 b. Ludgvan
Minnie dau 14 b. Phillack

you can get transcriptions of the Cornwall census here
http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

As there seems to be no sign of baptisms in the Phillack records, I wonder if the family became non-conformist?


Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

Offline trestrail

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 50
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: TRESTRAIL from Hayle, Cornwall
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 15 June 10 12:03 BST (UK) »
OK† here is what I think.† I think Minnie was his mother.† She may have had a child out of wedlock.† The family you gave to me is obviously Percy's grandparents.† I needed to look at his grandparent's children's names, and now the list has grown.† †It makes sense to me that one of William and Eliza's children is my grandfather's parent.† I remember it stating on the (lost) birth certificate that his mother was Minnie Jenkins.† Minnie was 25 and my grandfather was 5 and they were listed under the same household with William and Eliza.† I believe Minnie is his mother and then later she married a Jenkins at age 28. My Grandfather would have been 8 when she married William Jenkins. †(Eliza Emily (Minnie) married William Henry Jenkin March qtr 1893 Redruth 5c 329.) If my grandfather's mother gave birth out of wedlock, she would have named him her maiden name, Trestrail.†

Ah, now it is beginning to make sense.† My grandfather did not have brothers and sisters, either.

Maybe that is why there is no baptism.† I even looked under the Phillack files for out of wedlock children and there is nothing.† †Maybe they wanted to keep it quiet.† I remember Albert Trestrail as being named his father.† Could he have been a parental guardian?†

Trestrail  - My maiden name -  My Father's side from Hayle
Knight -
Tremlett
Hosking
Powning
Freethy
Matthews
Jenkin
Woolcock
Crocker
Robertson
Holman
Hichens
Badge
Goldsack
Curtis
Uren  - My Mother's side from Cambourne/Gwinear/Wendron/Helston
Gill
Penpraze
Trewin
Hendra
Secombe
Symonds
Edwards
Hocking

Offline osprey

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,543
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: TRESTRAIL from Hayle, Cornwall
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 16 June 10 10:13 BST (UK) »
As I've already mentioned, you can get a copy of the birth from the GRO to confirm parentage.

He may have been baptised in the Methodist Church. The online parish clerk has some records. I've checked St Elwyn's, he's not there
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~phillack/st_elwyns.htm
He also has  some Hayle Methodist circuit available to look up

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~phillack/

No idea what a parental guardian is. If you come across a guardian being appointed, it usually involved money or an inheritance, and I doubt this family needed one or had the means to acquire one.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb