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Re: TRESTRAIL from Hayle, Cornwall
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 13 June 10 00:41 BST (UK) »
What I have always felt in my heart, spirit, soul, and inside my blood is a strong connection to the Cornish Celtic people.  I am proud to be a true unblemished, Cornish descendent. Yes my father was born in Hayle and my mother born in Queens, New York, but her parents had come to America from Cambourne, Cornwall, but returned to Cornwall so that my Mom's sister, Barbara Gill, born June 17, 1930,  could be born at St Michael's Mount hospital.  The doctors in NY told my maternal grandmother, Elizabeth Mary Robina Uren Gill ( born August 7, 1896 on Union St. Cambourne) that she would die in child labor and my grandmother wanted to return home to be with her Mother, Elizabeth Ellen Penpraze Uren, and her father, James Uren, market house caretaker.  They lived on Union Street in Cambourne and had 7 children Norman, Stanley, Elizabeth, Raymond, Gordon, Stuart, and Ruth.

My grandmother survived, and sailed back home with my Mother, Elizabeth (Gill) Trestrail,  and her new baby, Barbara (Gill) Collie,  to Queens, NY

I will do a separate forum on the maternal side later on. I want to concentrate on the paternal side.  I am so happy to finally have learned my paternal grandmother's mother's  name, Sarah (Tremlett) Knight.     

I am beginning to see that some family members (Sarah Tremlett) came from Devonport, Devon,  and then moved to Hayle or Angarrack, a few miles from Hayle. 

So does that officially no longer make me a true blooded Cornish lassie?   My grandfather always called me "ah, me sweet little princess"  instead of saying "my sweet little princess."  That is what made him truly a Cornishman.     
Trestrail  - My maiden name -  My Father's side from Hayle
Knight -
Tremlett
Hosking
Powning
Freethy
Matthews
Jenkin
Woolcock
Crocker
Robertson
Holman
Hichens
Badge
Goldsack
Curtis
Uren  - My Mother's side from Cambourne/Gwinear/Wendron/Helston
Gill
Penpraze
Trewin
Hendra
Secombe
Symonds
Edwards
Hocking

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Re: TRESTRAIL from Hayle, Cornwall
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 13 June 10 06:41 BST (UK) »
'Cornish Lassie'  is what I am definately.... why because my roots are from Cornwall and Scotland and Lassie is a scottish term ( I think)..

We are what we feel in our hearts  - so go with it, you love your Cornish heritage - so therefore you feel you belong to that part of the world.  Thats lovely.

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Re: TRESTRAIL from Hayle, Cornwall
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 13 June 10 12:08 BST (UK) »
from John Thomas' baptism, this looks to be a good match for his family

1871 Mill Valley, Withel RG10/2250 folio 77 pg 25
John Knight head mar 29 ag lab b. St Columb
Jane wife 32 b. St. Mawgan
John T son 6 b. St Mawgan
Edward J son 4 b. St Mawgan
William H son 2 b. St Mawgan
Charles E son 1 b. St Withel
Johannah Bennett mother widow 71 b. St Eval

Johannah would look to be Jane's mother

marriage reg
John Bennett dec qtr 1863 St Columb vol 5c pg 179 with Jane Bennett the only other on the page
Jane's baptism
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/moreinfo.php?ID=1397888&dbtype=baptisms&formval=

To establish Percival's parents, you should get a copy of his birth certificate. I can find no sign of an Albert Trestrail or of a Minnie Jenkin that married a Trestrail. There is, however, a Minnie Trestrail with parents William & Eliza in the right area, and a Percy Trestrail of the right age living with them. This Percy, by 1911, is in the Royal Navy.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: TRESTRAIL from Hayle, Cornwall
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 13 June 10 17:00 BST (UK) »
Hi Guys,

I agree with Osprey that you will need Percy's birth cert.  The Percy from Devon is from a completely different family.
There is a death recorded for Percy Powning Trestrail March qtr 1886 Redruth 5c 233 age 0.
It is entered in the Phillack PR: Percival Powning Trestrail 11 month Copperhouse  14 March 1886 (no parents given) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~phillack/burials/bur1885_1889.htm
If this is correct then this would be the Percy that was born in Gateshead. Perhaps Thomas George P Trestrail & family returned to Phillack & Percy Powning died during the visit?
I ,also, can not locate a marriage between Albert Trestrail & Minnie but have a Albert Trestrail marring Emily Simmons Sept qtr 1890 Redruth 5c 343.
I have them in the Census as:

1891 St Johns St, Phillack RG12/1852 folio 42 page 18 ed 3 sch 129
"Alfred" Trestrail head 34 boilermaker Phillack
Emily                   wife   31                    Phillack

1901 St John St ,Phillack  RG13/2245 folio 55 page 6 ed 4 sch 37
Jane Harris head wid 82                     Phillack
Emily Trestrail  dau  mar 42 general dom servant  Phillack

1901 East Stonehouse, Devonport RG13/2104 folio 163 page 48 ed 5 sch 374
William Percy head, mar 70 navy pensioner
Maud Percy  wife mar 69 laundress
Mary A Bryan  dau wid 43 laundress
Lilian M Percy gr dau unm 18 drapers asst
Albert Trestrail  boarder mar 38 Boilermaker ( born "Bodmin"

Regards,
Dave.

Trestrail


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Re: TRESTRAIL from Hayle, Cornwall
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 13 June 10 17:18 BST (UK) »
It makes more sense that Percival Powning Trestrail's grandfather was William and his grandmother Eliza Powning.

But I wonder if my grandfather's parents (?)  died and he went to stay with his grandfather, William Trestrail,  who was widowed from Eliza, when my grandfather, Percival, was 15.

I am going to state that this is absolutely my grandfather's grandparents.

he only bmds for a Percy Trestrail on the GRO index in Cornwall are the birth reg in march qtr 1886 and the marriage in 1923. There is no Percival showing up in bmds or on the census. The Percy that I posted is the only one who appears.

Percival Powning Trestrail was at sea at age 7.   That would be 1892.  He was at sea for many years, and it looks like 8 years later he was back in Hayle at age 15 living with his grandfather, William, who was then widowed from Eliza.   

The marriage is indexed as
Percy P Trestrail march qtr 1923 Redruth vol 5c pg 319 to Bessie Knight


This marriage reg for the grandparents looks to explain Percy's middle name - Powning

William Trestrail dec qtr 1843 Redruth vol 9 pg 299 with Eliza Powning on the same page

Possible for Eliza's baptism?
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/moreinfo.php?ID=981461&dbtype=baptisms&formval=

Baptism records od Eliza Powning

Parish:    Perranuthnoe
Date:    09-Apr 1823
Name:    Eliza POWNING
Sex:    Dau of
Father:    Thomas
Mother:    Mary - I'D LOVE TO FIND OUT HER MAIDEN NAME. 
Residence:    
Father's rank/profession:    MINER
Register notes:    
Transcriber Notes:    
Transcriber:    Diane Donohue

I think you may need to get a copy of Percy's birth certificate as the census is not showing the parents as given
Percy Powning Trestrail march qtr 1886 Redruth vol 5c pg 233

1891 Prospect Place, Phillack RG12/1852 folio 50 pg 34
William Trestrail head mar 72 showmaker b. Phillack
Eliza wife 68 b. Goldsithney
Elizabeth dau single 40 chair caner b. Goldsithney (blind from childhood)
Minnie dau single 25 tailoress b. Hayle
Percy grandson 5 b. Hayle  - he left for the sea at age 7.  Was he too much to care for by the grandparents.  Where were his parents?

1901 Bodiggy St, Phillack RG13/2245 folio 59 pg 14
William Trestrail head widower 83 shoemaker b. Phillack
Elizabeth A dau 50 chair caner b. Perranuthnoe (blind)
Percy grandson 15 work (?) boy (farm) b. Phillack

Minnie's marriage was registered march qtr 1897 Falmouth vol 5c pg 299 to either Frederick Burton or Thomas Bourchier Daniels
No sign of an Albert Trestrail in this family or one marrying a Minnie.
Trestrail  - My maiden name -  My Father's side from Hayle
Knight -
Tremlett
Hosking
Powning
Freethy
Matthews
Jenkin
Woolcock
Crocker
Robertson
Holman
Hichens
Badge
Goldsack
Curtis
Uren  - My Mother's side from Cambourne/Gwinear/Wendron/Helston
Gill
Penpraze
Trewin
Hendra
Secombe
Symonds
Edwards
Hocking

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Re: TRESTRAIL from Hayle, Cornwall
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 13 June 10 17:52 BST (UK) »
I just found a certified copy of my father's original birth certificate.

Registration District - Redruth  application number PAS 61345/N/F
October 18th 1977

Birth in sub-district of Phillack, County of Cornwall  - January 7 1924.

Clifton Terrace
Phillack bast.

Father- Percy Trestrail
Mother - Bessie formerly Knight
Father - able Seaman  (Merchant Service)
Trestrail  - My maiden name -  My Father's side from Hayle
Knight -
Tremlett
Hosking
Powning
Freethy
Matthews
Jenkin
Woolcock
Crocker
Robertson
Holman
Hichens
Badge
Goldsack
Curtis
Uren  - My Mother's side from Cambourne/Gwinear/Wendron/Helston
Gill
Penpraze
Trewin
Hendra
Secombe
Symonds
Edwards
Hocking

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Re: TRESTRAIL from Hayle, Cornwall
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 13 June 10 18:26 BST (UK) »
there's an IGI extracted marriage in batch M022231 for Perranuthnoe
Thomas Powning & Mary Freethy 12/1/1813

You can get a copy of this from the record office in Truro

http://www.cornwall.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=14713

1841 census Perranuthnoe HO107/143/11 folio 23 pg 15
Thomas Powning 55 miner
Mary 50
Eliza 15
George 15 miner
Richard 13 miner
Ambrose 12 miner
James 10
Joseph 8
all born in county

The minimum age for a boy seaman in the Royal navy was 15 & a quarter up to December 1914. There were training ships that trained boys for the merchant & Royal Navy and educated them -usual joining age was 11 or 12. School leaving age was 12 or 13 at that time depending on local bye laws.
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?trainingships/trainingships.shtml 

Dave, thanks for sorting out which Percy died. Can't believe I forgot about the online Phillack records - I've spent hours going through ones form earlier years.
By the way, you might want to remove that 1911 census before the copyright editor does.

 ;)
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: TRESTRAIL from Hayle, Cornwall
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 13 June 10 18:38 BST (UK) »
Elizabeth Trestrail 73 of Bodriggy Road was buried 28/11/1900 in Phillack. William 85, same address, was buried 19/3/1904.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: TRESTRAIL from Hayle, Cornwall
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 13 June 10 23:09 BST (UK) »
This is fantastic.  If Elizabeth Powning and William Trestrail were my grandfather's grandparents, can I find out who their children were?  One of them  would be my grandfather's parent.  Thank you so much for these death / burial records. 

I appreciate it so much.

Still the missing link - my Grandfather, Percival Powning Trestrail's parents.  If they were NOT Albert and Minnie Jenkins, who were they?

 Why did I give my sons those leather bound family tree books I spent years working on??  Both of my grown sons have misplaced them.
ei yi yi yi yi

I will try and find my grandfather's military records, next.   


Trestrail  - My maiden name -  My Father's side from Hayle
Knight -
Tremlett
Hosking
Powning
Freethy
Matthews
Jenkin
Woolcock
Crocker
Robertson
Holman
Hichens
Badge
Goldsack
Curtis
Uren  - My Mother's side from Cambourne/Gwinear/Wendron/Helston
Gill
Penpraze
Trewin
Hendra
Secombe
Symonds
Edwards
Hocking