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Jewish Genealogy -Where did they come from?
« on: Sunday 13 June 10 17:07 BST (UK) »
Hi
I am researching the tree of my great-grandmother Jane/Jenny/Cheina Smolensky. She arrived, unmarried, in the UK a little before the 1901 census and lived with her married sister Annie Kalinsky and in the same block was her other married sister Tilly Bernstein. Jane married Max Cohen sometime before the birth of their first child, my grandmother, Sarah Mary Cohen in January 1904. I have never managed to track the civil marriage (topic of another post).

However, what I would love to know is where the three sisters came from.

The 1901 census for Jane, Tilly and Annie shows them as coming from Russia. On the 1911 census, Jane was still from Russia but Annie is from Germany and Tilly from WISTINEZ POLAND.

A grandson of Annie told me that the family came from Memel which was East Prussia but is now Lithuania. However, I have no idea if this is true.


I have one otherpiece of information that may or may not be relevant. I found some of my greatgrandmothers photos and one had "Heydekrug" written on the back. Using website www.jewishgen.org I made contact with someone researching Smoliansky. There is a connection, we believe, as we have photos in common but we cannot make the link.

Can anyone point me in a direction to continue with my research? I have come to a full stop.
Thanks

Sue








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Re: Jewish Genealogy -Where did they come from?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 14 June 10 00:25 BST (UK) »
Sue, I cannot help you directly, but have you tried looking at the links on Cyndi's list?  http://www.cyndislist.com/jewish.htm
Boyle, Co. Leitrim  Boyle, Co. Tyrone, Shaughnessy, Co. Limerick, and  Manchester, UK.  Pope, Cheshire. Chadwick, Speke, Lancs.  Frankish, Hunmanby, Yorks.  Brindley, Audley, Staffs and  Middlesex.

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Re: Jewish Genealogy -Where did they come from?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 14 June 10 12:25 BST (UK) »
Hello Sue,

I would be reasonably confident that WISTINEZ was VISHINETZ in Yiddish, i.e.

http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~shtetm~-2620738

Right on the border of the Suwalki gubernia and East Prussia (east of Gumbinnen).

Justin

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« Reply #3 on: Monday 14 June 10 21:03 BST (UK) »
Hi Justin
Thanks for the tip.

What do I look for? I am stumped  ???

Thanks

Sue


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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 15 June 10 06:45 BST (UK) »
Hi Sue,

have you seen sites about Memelland on Genwiki? It's in German, but  click translate on the toolbar and the translations are very good.

http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/Juden_im_Memelland
http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/Portal:Memelland
http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/Heydekrug

Hope this helps. Regards Peonie

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Re: Jewish Genealogy -Where did they come from?
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 15 June 10 13:53 BST (UK) »
Sue,

I think it's quite a breakthrough to be able to place the family in a formerly Russian town, that was close enough to Germany to enable direct (probably illegal) immigration.

Jill Whitehead (whom you should contact via JewishGen) wrote:

My ancestors came from Vishtinetz which was Polish in the 1860's (Wistieniec) when they came over and only became Lithuanian (Vistytis) after 1914 (the borders were very fluid). However, Vishtinetz is on the border with Konigsberg/Kaliningrad (separated by a lake) and the ancestors crossed the lake to do their business on the German side. I know that it was considered "posher" to say you came from Germany on your Census return and that often the ancestors spoke German better (as it was like Yiddish) but not Polish or Lithuanian so well. My mother told me that my great-great-grandmother and her children made a point of saying they were German on their Census return when they were not, and that this was quite common to confer them with some kind of social status. They also preferred to speak German hence their name Brin became Braun and then Brown.

You might consider joining the Suwalki Lomza Interest Group
http://www.jewishgen.org/suwalklomza/Index.html for further guidance.

Peter Bork's website in German (http://bork-on-line.de/adressbuecher/start.htm) provides online access to several postal directories for Memel and the surrounding area.

I found the following entries:

1921: Julius Smoliansky of Heydekrug
1929: David Smolenski, businessman of Toepferstrasse 12, Memel (see also http://www.rootschat.com/links/08x3/)
1930: Meyer Smoliansky, businessman of Heydekrug

Now, the first site cited by Peonie lists Isaak (wife, Sara), David and Hanna Smolianski in Memel. Links to the GedBas site indicate that Issak Smolianski (David's father) had moved to Memel, i.e. was not born there.

However, the surname Smolianksi does not appear in a Memel directory. This suggests that David Smolenski / Smolianski are one and the same.

Food for thought...

Have you investigated the birthplaces of any other Smolenskis in the Liverpool area in the 1911 census. Could perhaps, Eli Smolenski (tailor in Toxteth Park), have been an elder brother?

Justin







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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 15 June 10 14:06 BST (UK) »
Hi Justin
The Smolianskys you mention are the relatives of the researcher that I mentioned I found on jewishgen. We can't make the link between our two trees though as neither goes back an extra generation. She has sent me her tree and I have sent her mine.

I have sent emails (via jewishgen) to all researchers of the Smolensky surname but again, nothing to link us...yet

Thanks again for all the suggestions. Nice to know that I have followed the right thought process.

Sue
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Re: Jewish Genealogy -Where did they come from?
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 28 April 20 07:46 BST (UK) »
Hi Sue

I am Anthony Smolyansky.
I am researching my family roots.
As far as I know now they come from Suwalki/Eishishkes/Minsk.
It is quite a possibility that who you looking for maybe also from there.
Suwalki had a biggest Smoliansky numbers and it is right on the border with Lithuania.
How they get to Suwalki I don't know.
Let me know if you wish to exchange information

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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 20 August 23 16:47 BST (UK) »
Hi Anthony Smolyansky
I haven't logged in here for a long time and only just saw your message

I am researching Smolensky and Smolianski.
There were a lot of Smolianskis in the Memel/Haidekrug area though my ggm gave her place of birth as Vistinitz
Her name was Sheina/Jane/Jenny and her father's hebrew name was Joseph
If any of this sounds like it might have potential please reply and maybe upload an extract of your tree
Many thanks

Sue Coleman