GOOD and RICE families from Cork

[Jtyner]

my 2nd grt grandparents Thomas Good and Anne rice married in 1861 in ballinaboy.
Their fathers are Thomas Good and James Rice.
is anyone connected to these families or know anymore about them?
John

[celtic liberty]

Hi

Some relevant photos for you

Mary

[celtic liberty]

Some more!!

Mary

[celtic liberty]

Ballinaboy church

Mary
Celtic Liberty

[Jtyner]

thanks mary!! you found me!! appreciate the photos.
it seems that thomas and george must be relatives of james Rice.
more digging to do.
god bless
John

[celtic liberty]

You are welcome,
this is the best site!!!!

So easy to upload photos too, unlike some!

Mary
Celtic Liberty

[woodchurch]

Fascinating!  I have an Eliza Clarke born 1784, daughter of William Clarke, woolmerchant of Blarney Lane, Cork  and Sarah Farren. Eliza married a Rice (I don't have a first name or any other details) and had two children at least, Anna Rice and George Nelson Rice, born 1806, dd 1827, who was buried in St Mary's Shandon, Cork.  Anna Rice married a Robert Chambers, who was probably the tobacco importer with offices at 6 St Patricks Street, Cork  in 1845 in Aldwell's Directory; a Robert Chambers was an associate of another Wm Clarke, (nephew of the above) of Clarke's Tobacco, whose address in 1856 was then 6 St Patricks Street.  Does any of this match up with your research?

[celtic liberty]

Hi Woodchurch,

I found a marriage which I think might be Eliza's to a Rice in the Rosemary Ffolliott index
which is on microfilm at the Cork City Library.  It is listed in Cork Mercantile chronicle paper
on Monday 8th October, 1804  "yesterday morning at St. Mary's Shandon, Mr. Pierce Rice
to Miss Clarke of Blarney Lane".    No reference as to where Pierce Rice was from.

You seem to have the details for the death of George Nelson Rice, again a newspaper notice
details as follows-

17th Feb 1827 " on Friday of rapid consumption at his grandfather's Mr. William Clarke of
Blarney Lane, George Nelson Rice, student of St. Edmund's Hall, Oxford.. had just attained
his 21st year"

Another entry which I thought was interesting -
Cork Journal paper  19 Oct 1761  " Advertisement - Jane the widow of Francis Clarke, tobacconist
at the corner of Kitt's Lane in the Main Street, carried on the trade" ( maynot be your Clarkes).

I came across a couple of the Clarke tobacconist's metal advertising signs when I was away
recently and took a few photos for you.  One mentions the Imperial Tobacco Company.  Again you might have them already.

It might be difficult for you to link my photos to your Clarke family???

Regards
Mary
Celtic Liberty

[woodchurch]

Thanks Mary for your quick reply, you don't hang about!

Pierce Rice may well be the one.  Ancestry also gave me a reference in O’Kief of the marriage in 1840 of a Pierce Rice and Elizabeth Clarke in the Diocese of Cork and Ross.

I am thinking the connection might have been through the wool or clothing trade; William Clarke was variously described as a wool merchant, woollen draper or woolcomber and lived on Blarney Lane, which appears to have been a centre in Cork for the trade.  In 1810 West’s Directory, there is a Mary Rice linen draper in Cork at South Main Street and later in 1824 a John Rice,Woollen Draper at 79 South Main Street (Pigot’s Directory).  Not overwhelming but a possibility. 

William Clarke had two daughters (Elizabeth and Sarah) and a son Thomas who it is said upset his father by going into the church (vicar of Micheldever in Wiltshire for more than 50 years) rather than his family business.  Perhaps by Elizabeth marrying Pierce Rice he hoped to keep the family business going.

In the event it seems this William’s granddaughter Anna Rice kept the Clarke connection going through marrying a tobacco importer Robert Chambers, who is shown as a mortgagor in 1855 for her cousin William Clarke the tobacco manufacturer, when buying land later to become part of his Farren (or Farran) estate.

The details of young George Nelson Rice’s untimely demise fits in with family lore, that he was training for the church.  Again it may mean nothing but I note that two of the inscriptions on gravestones at Ballinaboy refer to a George Rice, I can’t make out the first one but the second was erected by Geo Rice in memory of his father Thomas who died in 1806; perhaps George Nelson, born in 1806, was named after him - and Nelson’s victory at Trafalgar of course??

I would love to have copies  of the photos you mentioned - I am planning a visit to Cork next month to do a bit more digging, PM to follow!  With regards