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Hartford/Burke/Guilfoyle - Abbeyleix
« on: Tuesday 22 June 10 13:29 BST (UK) »
Hi all

I'm looking for any information for a Julia Hartford born 1877 in Abbeyleix.

She married Joseph Burke, Ballymaddock, Abbeyleix in 1904.

Joseph's mother - Catherine Guilfoyle born 1835 (approx) who married a Joseph Burke in 1870.

I've had some gravestones advised to me from a very helpful gentleman.  Thank you all in anticipation. 

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Re: Hartford/Burke/Guilfoyle - Abbeyleix
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 22 June 10 13:46 BST (UK) »
Hello kirm2,

welcome to rootschat. :) What kind of information do you need?

Family Search pilot site http://www.rootschat.com/links/090n/ has her birth and marriage in the indexes. If you click on her name, then you will get the year 1977, volume and page numbers which you need to send for certificates. http://www.groireland.ie/
The references to fim/image numbers can be ignored- they are just for viewing the indexes at a Family History Centre.

There is only one Julia in 1901 census,and although it says born England, there is no-one in the English indexes to fit.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003710158/

1911 has her with Joseph http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Queen_s_Co_/Abbeyleix/Ballymaddock/781170/

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Re: Hartford/Burke/Guilfoyle - Abbeyleix
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 22 June 10 14:14 BST (UK) »
Thank you very much for your assistance Heywood.

I tried asking groireland for her birth cert and marriage cert but they said that they need an exact date as I only have the year to go by which was extremely disappointing.  I got the birth cert of Julia's daughter Christine as I had her exact date but the other requests were denied so I just don't know how to go about getting an exact date unless someone else has researched her before?????

Any ideas would be great!

thanks so much.

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Re: Hartford/Burke/Guilfoyle - Abbeyleix
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 22 June 10 14:41 BST (UK) »
I would have thought that now you have the reference:

1877 Abbeyleix vol 18 pg 358

that would be sufficient.

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Re: Hartford/Burke/Guilfoyle - Abbeyleix
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 22 June 10 14:53 BST (UK) »
and the references for Julia's marriage :

 Name: Julia Hartford
 Registration District: Abbeyleix
 Event Type: Marriage
 Quarter and Year: Oct - Dec 1904
 Volume : 3 / page : 255

 Name: Joseph Burke
 [same index detals]

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Re: Hartford/Burke/Guilfoyle - Abbeyleix
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 22 June 10 15:48 BST (UK) »
Thank you both very much for your help.

I'm off to check out that link now Shanew147.

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Re: Hartford/Burke/Guilfoyle - Abbeyleix
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 22 June 10 17:23 BST (UK) »
Please excuse my ignorance if this is a silly question but...

Where do I go to search for the birth certificate for Catherine Guilfoyle born 1842 (according to the Family search - thank you Shanew147!!) and died 1913?  The "Gro" tell me that their records do not go that far back - so in order to find out who her parents were I need to find the record.  I know that she was born in Abbeyleix but that is all.

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Re: Hartford/Burke/Guilfoyle - Abbeyleix
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 22 June 10 18:06 BST (UK) »
Civil registration started in 1864, so no birth certs will be available before this date. To look for a birth in 1842 you will have to search parish records.  To do this you need to know the family religion and the parish they lived in at the time, so you can check if records are available.

What year did Catherine Guilfoyle marry ?  1870...

A marriage cert would give you her father's name and the bride's residence at time of marriage, which would be a useful start..


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Re: Hartford/Burke/Guilfoyle - Abbeyleix
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 22 June 10 19:05 BST (UK) »
There's a marriage for a Joseph Burke in the Abbeyleix registration district in 1870... but I dont see a cross-match for Catherine :

 Name: Joseph Burke
 Registration District: Abbeyleix
 Event Type: Marriage
 Registration Quarter and Year: 1870
 Volume : 3 / page : 465

There seems to be a few different Catherine/Kate Guilfoyles in the county at the time as there are two marriages in the same year for the name in Abbeyleix district (neither match the refs above), and several others in nearby areas. Are you certain about the year for the marriage ?

Have you located this Catherine on the 1901 census return (I see she's a widow in 1911) ?


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