Shortall - Sir Patrick

[Xotan]

Would anyone have any information on Sir Patrick Shortall and his wife (my Great Aunt) Mary (Polly).  I don't have very much information on him, but here are the snippets from my recollection of the very rare references among the grown ups, when I was a child. 

You will see why there were so few references

• He lived at 47 Hardwicke Street, Dublin.
  He was a local politician, scheduled to be next Unionist Lord Mayor of Dublin, but Sinn Fein swept the boards in 1918
  He was a womaniser, which led to Polly's suicide.  This knowledge came to me from Polly's niece shortly before she (the niece) died
  Polly and Patrick had sons who may have emigrated to Canada[
  [li]

If anyone can provide any information, or suggest any lines to follow, I would be most grateful.

Xotan

[shanew147]

There's a Shortall family living at 47 Hardwicke Street on the 1911 census  - is that them ?

Huband Patrick age 39, a builder, wife Mary age 37 and 4 children.

  Shortall family



Shane

[shanew147]

Thom's 1914 includes a reference to the same name and address :

Hardwicke Street

 47 - Patrick Shortall, builder, decorator, and sanitary engineer




Shane

[Xotan]

Thanks Shanew.  That is indeed the family.   I note that there are sons, and that Patrick was a builder.

I am particularly interested in finding out some more about Mary (Polly), but also about Patrick,  especialy dates of death and place of burial.   The Glasnevin Cemetery site yielded nothing.  Clearly I need more information for research there.  I have no reason to think that they would have been buried elsewhere, although that possibility always remains.

Patrick's career, susequent to his defeat in the 1918  general election is a big mystery, and the death/suicide of Polly is something i would like to have more information on.  I am only too aware that I have one side of the story.

But thanks again for your help!

Xotan

[shanew147]

They seem to be gone from the Hardwicke St address by 1927 - in Thom's of that year number 47 is listed as a Mrs. Mary J. Lyons. I dont see a listing for Patrick in the Trades index of that year either.

I've just seen more details on Patrick in the Trades index for 1914 :

  P. Shortall, builder,  decorator & sanitary engineer
    42 York Street, 18A Temple St North  [business addresses]
    res. 47 Hardwicke St  (also gives a phone number... )


Shane

[eadaoin]

Mrs Mary Lyons is in 47  Hardwicke St in 1922 Thoms.

his business is in 18-18a Temple St (Shortall and Co Ltd)
 and it looks as if he lives there ... Shortall, Sir P., T.C.

not in 42 Y0rk St


Goog*e "sir patrick shortall" ... maybe you have? 42 results .. some look interesting-ish!

eadaoin

[Xotan]

Thanks Eadaoin.

There is some interesting stuff there indeed!  I am working through thel links.

[zag]

Well now, you're in luck and so am I by the looks of things. 

Mary (Polly) Coyle would have been my Grandfathers maternal Aunt (I'm not great on the ould generational terminology yet).  I have a good bit of info on the Coyles but not so much directly on Polly or Pat.

Polly died on 20MAY1914.  They were married in 1899.

Let me know (by PM I guess or this could turn into a very long thread) what information in particular you are looking for and I'll fill in what blanks I can.

z

[aghadowey]

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