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Help with third page of 1558 will please
« on: Sunday 11 July 10 17:51 BST (UK) »
I seem to be getting a bit better at this.  There are fewer blanks now than there were on pages 1 and 2.

This is the first half of page 3:

the heirs of his body lawfully begotten  The remainder thereof for lack of such issue
to the said John Machell my son and heir apparent  And to the heirs of his body
lawfully begotten  The remainder thereof for lack of such issue to the right heirs
of me the said John Machell _____  And further I will that after the decease of
the said Joane my wife all those my messuage lands & tenements and heredi-
taments in H_______  _______ in the said Counties of Southampton and Dorset or else
where in the said Counties of Southampton and Dorset  And also all that my
said messuage or tenements with the appurtenances in Wood_____  aforesaid in the said parish
of Saint Peter in Westcheape of London shall wholly remain to the said Thomas
Machell my third son and to the heirs of his body lawfully begotten  The
remainder thereof for lack of such issue of that the said Joane my wife be with
child with son to the said son by what name soever he shall be called or
named and to the heirs of his body lawfully begotten  The remainder thereof
for lack of such issue to the said John Machell my son and heir apparent
and to the heirs of his body lawfully begotten  The remainder thereof for lack
of such issue to the said Mathew Machell my second son and to the heirs of
his body lawfully begotten  The remainder thereof for lack of such issue
to the right heirs of me the said John Machell ______  And further I give
will and bequeath unto Mathew Machell my seond son _____  ______  ______
half of all my lands meadows and pastures called ________ sett and being in
_______ in the County of ______  And all my messuage lands and tenements and
hereditaments sett lying and being in the parish of Saint Michael at Q__________

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Re: Help with third page of 1558 will please
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 11 July 10 17:55 BST (UK) »
This is the second half of page 3:

________ of London  and all my messuage land & tenement and ______  ______
_______ and hereditaments with theirs appurtenances sett lying and being in ___
_____  in the County of Hertford  To have and to hold all and singulare the pre
mises last before _____ and bequeathed to the said Mathew my son unto the said
Mathew my son and to the heirs of his body lawfully begotten  the remainder
thereof for lack of such issue to the said Thomas Machell my third son
and to the heirs of his body legally begotten  The remainder thereof for lack
of such issue if the said Joane my wife be with child with a son to the said son
by what name soever he shall be named or called  And to the heirs of his body
lawfully begotten  The remainder thereof for lack of such issue to the said
John Machell my son and heir apparent and to the heirs of his body lawfully
begotten  The remainder thereof for lack of such issue to the right heirs
of me the said John Machell forever  _______ I give will and bequeath
unto the said Thomas Machell my third son the other? _____ or half of
all my said lands meadows and pastures with the appurtenances called or known
by the name of H________ aforesaid in ______ aforesaid in the said County
of _______  And also all my rectories? parsonages and free chapels _______
called or known by the names of _______  _______ Chapel and _______
with the appurtenances in the County of Chester  And also all my manors messuage
land tenements meadows pastures ______  ______  _____  ______  ______
_______  ______  _______ profits commodities? And hereditaments what
______  ______  ______  ______ chapel and ______ in the said County of
Chester  To have and to hold all and singular the premises last before ______

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Re: Help with third page of 1558 will please
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 11 July 10 19:13 BST (UK) »
Hi
This is my guess ...

the heirs of his body lawfully begotten  The remainder thereof for lack of such issue
to the said John Machell my son and heir apparent  And to the heirs of his body
lawfully begotten  The remainder thereof for lack of such issue to the right heirs
of me the said John Machell friend.  And further I will that after the decease of
the said Joane my wife all those my messuage lands & tenements and heredi-
taments in Hynton Deverell in the said Counties of Southampton and Dorset or else
where in the said Counties of Southampton and Dorset  And also all that my
said messuage or tenements with the appurtenances in Woodstreet  aforesaid in the said parish
of Saint Peter in Westcheape of London shall wholly remain to the said Thomas
Machell my third son and to the heirs of his body lawfully begotten  The
remainder thereof for lack of such issue of that the said Joane my wife be with
child with son to the said son by what name soever he shall be called or
named and to the heirs of his body lawfully begotten  The remainder thereof
for lack of such issue to the said John Machell my son and heir apparent
and to the heirs of his body lawfully begotten  The remainder thereof for lack
of such issue to the said Mathew Machell my second son and to the heirs of
his body lawfully begotten  The remainder thereof for lack of such issue
to the right heirs of me the said John Machell friend.  And further I give
will and bequeath unto Mathew Machell my seond son _____  ______  ______
half of all my lands meadows and pastures called hangers sett and being in
Tottenham in the County of Midx (Middlesex)  And all my messuage lands and tenements and
hereditaments sett lying and being in the parish of Saint Michael at Q__________
Burgess, Saxby, Dann - Brenchley, Kent (1545-1900)
Glock, Schmetzer, Düll, Schúmm, Schúld, Köttler, Wirth, Häffner, König, Biber, Abel, Biller, Spörer, Niclaús, Schimpff, Linder, Meüder, Langenfelder, Keller - Württemberg, Germany (1525-1800)
Sainty, Smith - Cambridgeshire (1530-1850)
Choice - Warwickshire (1790-1840)
Gladman, Leggatt, Ovenden, Brizenden, Errwicker - Sussex (1660-1935)
Jocelyn - Hertfordshire (900-1550)
Graves - Norfolk (1750-1800)
Lindsell, Wiseman, Glascock - Essex (1345-1770)

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Re: Help with third page of 1558 will please
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 11 July 10 19:28 BST (UK) »
Thank you, so much, Viking Man!  Do you think the last word in the first half of the will could possibly be Queen ???

Bridget


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Re: Help with third page of 1558 will please
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 11 July 10 19:39 BST (UK) »
Looks like Queue (nothing around Kew in London?)

Here's my guess on part 2 ...

________ of London  and all my messuage land & tenement and ______  ______
_______ and hereditaments with theirs appurtenances sett lying and being in Hatfield
 in the County of Hertford  To have and to hold all and singulare the pre
mises last before merited and bequeathed to the said Mathew my son unto the said
Mathew my son and to the heirs of his body lawfully begotten  the remainder
thereof for lack of such issue to the said Thomas Machell my third son
and to the heirs of his body legally begotten  The remainder thereof for lack
of such issue if the said Joane my wife be with child with a son to the said son
by what name soever he shall be named or called  And to the heirs of his body
lawfully begotten  The remainder thereof for lack of such issue to the said
John Machell my son and heir apparent and to the heirs of his body lawfully
begotten  The remainder thereof for lack of such issue to the right heirs
of me the said John Machell forever  Moresaid I give will and bequeath
unto the said Thomas Machell my third son the other? monie or half of
all my said lands meadows and pastures with the appurtenances called or known
by the name of Hangers aforesaid in Tottenham aforesaid in the said County
of Midx (middlesex)  And also all my rectories? parsonages and free chapels _______
called or known by the names of Sandbache, Holmes, ??happell and Goosetree ??
with the appurtenances in the County of Chester  And also all my manors messuage
land tenements meadows pastures ______  ______  _____  ______  ______
_______  ______  _______ profits commodities? And hereditaments what
Sandbache, Holmes, ??happell and Goosetree ??  in the said County of
Chester  To have and to hold all and singular the premises last before ______
 

~~~~~~~~
 
Sorry if it a bit vague
 
Burgess, Saxby, Dann - Brenchley, Kent (1545-1900)
Glock, Schmetzer, Düll, Schúmm, Schúld, Köttler, Wirth, Häffner, König, Biber, Abel, Biller, Spörer, Niclaús, Schimpff, Linder, Meüder, Langenfelder, Keller - Württemberg, Germany (1525-1800)
Sainty, Smith - Cambridgeshire (1530-1850)
Choice - Warwickshire (1790-1840)
Gladman, Leggatt, Ovenden, Brizenden, Errwicker - Sussex (1660-1935)
Jocelyn - Hertfordshire (900-1550)
Graves - Norfolk (1750-1800)
Lindsell, Wiseman, Glascock - Essex (1345-1770)

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Re: Help with third page of 1558 will please
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 11 July 10 21:15 BST (UK) »
Sandbach, Holmes Chapel and Goostrey are all quite close together, Sandbach a bit further away, claytonbradley
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Re: Help with third page of 1558 will please
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 11 July 10 21:18 BST (UK) »
Vikingman I think it says forever not friend after John Machell twice?
 and after my second sonne "thone moitie or half" claytonbradley
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Re: Help with third page of 1558 will please
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 11 July 10 21:47 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much, Viking Man and ClaytonBradley.  I Googled "thone moitie" to see what it means.  It's amazing how much you can learn when you take up genealogy.
Bridget

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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 11 July 10 22:46 BST (UK) »
 I think line 13 is "Moreover" halfway along and the free chapels are "commonly"  called or known, cb

the end "meadows pastures rents ?readmissions fines tithes pensions portions oblations obventions (might have made that up) profits commodities".
If it is rents and readmissions then those are the words at the beginning too, but I am happy to be corrected, clayton bradley
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