Archibald Lynch

[MonicaL]

A lot of info there...which is good 

Helen Porter's death that you have now viewed...was father William showing as deceased then? Poor Eleanor/Helen, only 8 days in Scotland. So sad really 

Did Bridget show as a widow or still married on the 1861 census image that you viewed?

Hadn't viewed 1881  Adding here now for background:

Bridget Brogan 67, Lodging House Keeper b. Ireland
John Porter 18 grandson, Apptce Rivetter b. Ireland
John Hervey 68 boarder b. Ireland
Agnes McCairns 40 boarder b. Greenock

Address: 6 Cross Shore St, Greenock

Monica

[samtheskull]

Hi Monica,

Yeah, it took a few hours to compose it.

On Eleanor (aka Helen)'s death William was not listed as deceased. However the informant was an uncle, a John Corns? (hard to read surname). He may just not have mentioned if William was alive or not.

On the 1861 census for Bridget, it doesn't show if widowed or not,it simply says head, and has no column for marital status

I have the 1881 (that's how I found out about Bridget, as I was looking for where John was living prior to his marriage in 1884, as his address was listed in Greenock. It took me a couple of views to notice he was Bridget's grandson, not just another boarder.

On the 1891 census, she is living with Mary Boyle (her daughter) and family at 40 Shaw Street.
Mary Boyle, Head, W, 52, Donegal
Edward Boyle, Son, Unm, 23, Shipyard Labourer, Greenock
Thomas Boyle, Son, Unm, 21, Steamship Stoker, Greenock
William Boyle, Son, Unm, 18, Apprentice Baker, Greenock
Mary Boyle, Daur, 16, Unemployed, Greenock
Bridget Boyle, Daur, 11, Scholar, Greenock
Bridget Porter, Mother, W, 80, Assistant?, Donegal

Take care,

Scott

[sugarbakers]

Been watching this with interest ... Greenock / sugarbakers ...

John Corn, 51, of Donegal, sugarbaker, 20 East Shaw St.
Wife Rossan 36, dau Brigett 2, Thomas 9.
1851 census Greenock West.

Michael McCrossin also on database, but can't see others you've mentioned. Worth a look as there was so much inter-marriage amongst sugarbaker families (both Irish and German).

[MonicaL]

Thanks sugarbakers  That 1851 entry certainly seems to place John Corn/s as Uncle to Eleanor at the right time in Greenock. Can't see any more about this family after this time.

Scott, double blows you have going on there. So, no mention as to whether William was already deceased when we have Bridget in Greenock with young Eleanor's death in 1855. Also, no confirmation from her 1861 census entry from what you mention. Haven't been able to find Bridget in 1871. You have the 1881/1891 entries for her.

The only possible source of further info from that mid to late 1850s period would be the marriage cert of daughter Mary Porter to Charles Boyle in 1858. The only thing I have seen for them is the RC marriage entry for their marriage on 1 Nov 1858 at St Mary's in Greenock. RC marriage entries do not include the same info as statutory marriage records unfortunately so no info on Mary's parents there.

Just been re-reading....

Regarding Bridget's death on  21 Aug 1898 in 1 William St, Greenock at her daughter's Mary's house:

Death Record PORTER Bridget 1898 Bridget Brogan Porter, mother of John died at Mrs Boyle‟s 1 William Street, in Aug 1898 (Greenock Telegraph 23.8.1898) Source: intimations www.inverclyde.gov.uk/Search?k=intimations


Mother of John...makes me think he is local and around at the time perhaps?

Monica

[MonicaL]

There is this entry for example in 1901:

John Porter 52 Ship Plalie (?plater) b. Ireland
Agnes Porter 52 b. Greenock
Susan Porter 13 b. Greenock
Jonet Porter 8 b. Grangemonth, Stirlingshire *
William Porter 6 b. Grangemonth, Stirlingshire
Joseph Porter 5 b. Govan, Renfrewshire
Samuel Gorden 65

Address: High Street Woodland P, Campbeltown Argyll

* Doesn't mean anything really, but your John Porter was in Grangemouth in 1891 (at 4 Lumley St)?

Need to find more before hitting the SP trail....

[MonicaL]

Moving from tepid...to a little warmer 

Ok, possible John Snr from above as father to your John and son of William and Bridget....

We have him with wife Agnes in 1901 in Campbeltown. I think this is his entry in 1891:

John Porter 46 ship plater b. Ireland
Sarah Porter 16 b. Greenock
Mary Porter 11 b. Greenock
Charles Porter 8 b. Greenock
Susan Porter 3 b. Greenock

Address: 79 Lumley St, Grangemouth

As you know, we don't know what John above's marital status is from just the transcript, so not sure if he shows as widower here in 1891 and then married Agnes, or Agnes was just not there on the night of 1891.

What I also like, apart from the names which are very much like family first names from William and Bridget's family, is the addresses we have for 1891 in Grangemouth:

John Snr - 79 Lumley St
John Jnr - 4 Lumley St

I am quietly hopefull  Sad if it doesn't connnect.

Monica

PS: I love photos  http://tompaterson.co.uk/albums/FalkirkPostcards/index.php?showimage=Grangemouth%2C%20Lumley%20Street.jpg&screenwidth=1600

[MonicaL]

Working back to 1881, all the children born in Greenock:

John Porter 36 Railway Plater b. Ireland
Margaret Porter 32 b. Ireland
Margaret Porter 8
Sarah Porter 6
William Porter 4
Mary Porter 11 Months

Address: 32 Crescent St, Greenock


John Porter and Margaret Hisplop as a possible couple? Marriage in 1872 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYQC-244 First born we have on census, Margaret's birth here likely in 1873 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQ4F-CNL

Monica

[MonicaL]

There is a death for a Margaret Porter/Hislop in 1883, Greenock.

There is a marriage in 1891 in the Falkirk area, Stirlingshire for a John Porter and an Agnes. Likely after the date of the 1891 census?

Monica

[MonicaL]

Time away and clear head. We do indeed have John, son of William and Bridget  No idea how young John was born in Ireland to a very young John Snr, but life is like that  Specially when we haven't found John Snr in Scotland on the 1861 Scottish Census. Lives were very complicated then (now  ) for sure....

This is a snippet from John Snr.'s marriage to Margaret Hislop's 1872 marriage (RC too at St Mary's Greenock... www.stmarysgreenock.org/History/History.html). He looks to have been living with his mum Bridget (from the address we have in 1881 for Bridget) at 6 Cross Shore Street in Greenock. No reference to Bridget having remarried to a Burns....likely that too is complicated really.

John shows as aged 26 in 1872...so maybe the 1848 christening does not reflect his birth year.