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Offline Mike Twinn

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Golden Cross, Hertfordshire??
« on: Tuesday 20 July 10 15:03 BST (UK) »
My Great Grandmother Mary Jane Green is shown as living at Golden Cross, Mill End Rickmansworth in the 1861 census. I can not find anything called Golden Cross in that area. Can anyone help?

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Re: Golden Cross, Hertfordshire??
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 20 July 10 23:00 BST (UK) »
Hi Mike

The only "Cross" I know from the Mill End area is Maple Cross the next village/hamlet.

I don't have access to the census just now but I do have the 1851, is "Golden Cross" the name of the residence, I can't recall ever seeing it mentioned before.

Was Mary Jane born before 1851 or if you can give me the name of her parents I may be able to work out where they were living then, unless someone else can take a look at the 61 image & perhaps post just what it says. :-\

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Re: Golden Cross, Hertfordshire??
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 21 July 10 07:35 BST (UK) »
Hi

I think that one of the previous names for the pub (The Cross at Maple Cross) was the Golden Cross. I'll see what I can find.

The unfortunate thing about the pub is that it is about to come down, if we haven't already missed it.

http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/news/8091770.Maple_Cross_to_lose_its_pub/

Ray



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Re: Golden Cross, Hertfordshire??
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 21 July 10 08:12 BST (UK) »
Name                                             Jane Green
Age                                                    41
Estimated Year of Birth                    1820
Relationship to Head of Household    Head
Occupation                                    Rag Sorter In Paper Mill
Address                                            Golden Cross
District                                           Watford, Watford
Parish                                           Rickmansworth
Administrative County                  Hertfordshire
Birth Place                                   Rickmansworth
Birth County                                   Hertfordshire

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Re: Golden Cross, Hertfordshire??
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 21 July 10 08:34 BST (UK) »
This is the transcript from GR relative to the census, the census sheet attached doesn't have Golden Cross on it.
If the Golden Cross is The Cross pub, they are living in The Vine Beer House at Mill End in the 1871 Census

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Re: Golden Cross, Hertfordshire??
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 21 July 10 09:08 BST (UK) »
Hello Maddie

Her Parents William Green c1818 Jane Rackley c1819 both of Rickmansworth He is shown 1851 as Agricultural Labourer but not on 1861 census.

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Re: Golden Cross, Hertfordshire??
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 21 July 10 15:10 BST (UK) »
Hi

Firstly to tie down the area of that census district.
Herts/Rickmansworth/District 3d.

The description says ....

"Part of the Parish of Rickmansworth comprising the hamlet of Mill End including the houses at Money Hill commencing Beeson's Farm at Money Hill and ending at Drayton Ford and including  the Keeper's Cottage in Ash Pit's Woods, Sheppards Farm and cottages Dell Hall all the houses and cottages in Mill End"

More to follow

Ray



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Re: Golden Cross, Hertfordshire??
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 21 July 10 15:24 BST (UK) »
Hi

Secondly, this is an extract from an article in "The Rickmansworth Historian" No4 Autumn 1942 Pages 68-70 (Authors Messrs King & Prime)

Mr King (part describing Rickmansworth pubs)  "After that, of course, there's the Victoria Hotel. Coming down' the other way, there are none along the bottom until you get to the Fox and Hounds, that I used to' keep, or at least, that kept me for a few years, and I came out of that to where I live now. Then there's the Western, and then going down to Mill End, comes the Halfway House, and then the Red Lion, that was done away with years ago, at the same time as all those others, and the Spotted Dog, that was shut down at the same time. Do you know where that butchers shop is, just in Mill End? Well, next to that are two or three very old cottages, and then there was the Spotted Dog. The house is there now, but I expect it will have to come down when they widen the road. Then next there's the Vine, and then next to the fried-fish shop, where the iron-monger's used to be, there was another one. I can't recall its name now, but I know there was one there. Then the Five' Horseshoes was done away with. It stood just a little further down, right opposite where the baker's shop is, and then there was the Plough. That's been closed a good many years, too. It stood nearly opposite the laundry. It's got a stone step in front, and you used to have to step up two steps to get into the pub. It's a private 'house now, and a greengrocer has the yard at the side. After that there's only the Whip and Collar, until you get to the Golden Cross at Maple Cross, and that's all.
One I forgot to mention was the Tree at Mill End. My grandfather once kept that .. "

However
1851 Kelly's Whip & Collar Mr Worrell
AND now it get's difficult
Hannah Pratt "Maple Cross"

Removed - start
"Thomas Holt "Cross" Mill End"
which implies a pub was between the Whip&Collar and MapleCross
and that could be Golden Cross.
Removed - end
Note - answer to follow

Removed - start
I wonder if the old row of cottages just before Drayton Ford (going west from W&Collar) was called GoldenCross?
Removed - end
Note answer = "Dell Hall"

Keep at it!

Ray




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Re: Golden Cross, Hertfordshire??
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 21 July 10 17:55 BST (UK) »
Hi

"Golden Cross" seems to be the close proximity of a pub once called "Golden Cross".

If you walk the route that the enumerator took from the start.....
Uxbridge Road
page 1 = Riverside / Cedars
page 2 = Mill End House
page 3 = Red Lion (Wm Hussey)
page 4 = Spotted Dog (Thom Hutchings)
page 6 = Golden Cross (Thomas Holt)
page 7 = Mill House
page 9 = Tannery
page 10 = Whip & Collar (Worrell)
"out and back" to
page 17 = Weatherly publican = "Rose & Crown" (1851 Kellys)
page 19 "a building for Church Service"
page 20 = Sheppards Farm
page 24 = PO and Chapel
page 26 = Moneyhill House

http://www.rootschat.com/links/099l/ shows current position of where the GX pub was. Unfortunately now a petrol station? Or could be the old building next door?

Your relative is towards the end of the route so close to Moneyhill House.
On the attached shows
Rose&Crown on the junction.
GX pub on opposite side?
Chapel + 2 rows of cottages, dare we say that she lives in one of those?
Moneyhill House

Want anymore? Got pointers to other map(s) and the census sheets.

Regards
Ray