census lookups and edgar/mcnay research

[garry edgar]

Firstly, I am looking for more information on Edgar Family.

I already have 1851 Listing -
 Household 2/60. Scott Street(812) Annan Parish  
 Dumfrieshire
 Thomas Edgar age 31 roadmakers labourer b Annan
 Jane Edgar(NB nee McNay) age 29 b Hoddam
 Margaret Edgar(Thomas's mother, and wife of John(deceased)) age 73(and prob died before 1855) b Gretna
 John Edgar age 2 b annan
 William Edgar age 9 b annan
 Thomas age 5 b annan

by 1881
Thomas Edgar Snr is now age 67
Thomas EDgar Jnr age 38
James Edgar age 22
Robert Edgar age 19, are all living at Newdyke House in Annan
Jane Edgar(nee McNay) is deceased(1873)
Another child Margaret b 15-6-1866 is no longer at home, and later is reported as witness on Thomas Snr's death cert as Margaret Leslie.

by 1881
William age 39 is married with about 5 children but don't have entry in file for some reason

by 1881
John EDgar age 33 is living Watchall Cottage with 'wife' Eliza Colquhon and 5 children.

I am looking for info on these people for 1841, 1861, 1871.

Secondly, I am looking for anything on William McNay.
1851 Census entry Household 1/5, Twiglees(824), Parish Eskdalemuir.  age 56, widowed Ploughman.  He died dec 1871.  Looking for anything 1841, 1861, 1871.(NB his wife was Margaret nee Wightman)

[Boongie Pam]

Hiya Garry,

I have access to all the Dumfrieshire census films - they aren't all indexed as I'm sure you know or life would be great.  I'm actually off on holiday tonight but when I get back next week I'll look these up unless someone else has beaten me to it.

I thought I'd reply rather than ignore your post!

On a secondary question do you have any connection to Mary Edgar from Annan, she was the second wife of my direct Michael Fallon.  She was originally married to a John Swan.  Michael & Mary lived on Port St, Annan in 1901.  She was born ~ 1847 and died 27/03/1923.  Her parents were Jane Beattie and Adam Edgar who I think also lived on Port St.

Cheers,
Pam

 

[garry edgar]

Hi Pam

I saw Adam and Jane Edgar in the 1851 census.  Adam is listed as born Dornock, so I assumed he was unrelated.

I also saw a William Edgar of Ewart's ST in 1851 census, whi I assume is the brother of Thomas, based on age and plkace of birth being the same

Garry

[Boongie Pam]

I'll do this one tonight.  Cheers,
Pam

[Boongie Pam]

Sorry this has taken so long, and it is only half done (no index and football on!)  Sorry for the lack of folio numbers I was seriously running out of time.

1841 Annan Enum No3 page 6
High Street

Margaret Edgar   45   F Lab   Y
Thomas Edgar     20   Lab      Y

1861  Annan
Port St
in a house belonging to POOL

Robert Edgar  Boarder  Mar   28   Ag Lab   Annan
Margaret Edgar  Boarder Mar  46                  Annan (I'm going to check this as I may have written it down wrong)

1861  Annan Enum No. 6 1st page
Newdyke

Thomas Edgar  Head  Mar  45  Roadman Annan
Jane Edgar       Wife   Mar  39                  Hoddam
William Edgar   Son    Un    19                  Annan
Thomas Edgar  Son    Un    15  Scholar    Annan
John Edgar       Son    Un    12                  Annan
David Edgar     Son    Un     8   Scholar     Annan
James Edgar    Son    Un     3                    Annan

Another Edgar that is appearing is William a surgeon are you interested in him?  I'll be at the library again so I'll check that one above and 1871.

Cheers,
Pam

[garry edgar]

thanks pam

I think the 1841 margaret and thomas are interesting but prob not connected as margaret is too young. unless census taker error.  The 1861 Port st entry definately not connected I feel.

The 1861 entry was great !!! It is my people as they obviously lived there for some time.  David Edgar 8 y/o son in the family is a new person.  I would be stoked if you can find them all in 1871.

garry

[Boongie Pam]

I've found that one of my directs has wildly different ages a variation of 15 years at one point between the different census in Annan.  I think other people have found the same problem.  1841 in particular seems to have severe rounding down!

Are you aware of the 1801/11/21 census for Annan?  Gilchrist (him of the MI) transcribed it and it is published.  I've seen a copy and it tied in fab for my Caruthers though others argue that it is useless.  1801 is good but the data deteriorates after that - I know it is available from the LDS.  I'll try and order it from the Scottish Ref library and I'll look up Edgar - I wouldn't mind seeing it again myself.  I'll do 1871 when there is a break in the football ;-)

So my to do list is:
1871
Order early census
How about MI?  Annan old and slightly less old churchyards are transcribed and indexed.

Pam
 

[garry edgar]

HiPam

Whats is "the MI"?

Also, the 1841 census with Thomas and Margaret, what does the Y stand for ? Was there a marital status recorded back then ?

Garry

[Boongie Pam]

Sorry Garry - I'm all jargoned up nowadays!

MI is Memorial Inscriptions.  In Dumfrieshire George Gilchrist transcribed most of the pre-1855 gravestones in most of the parishes - Annan included.  In the "Library and FHS Lookups" forum I've posted a Look up and there is a link of all the MI available in Edinburgh.

In 1841 the last column was for ...

"Where born; whether born in same county (Y or N), whether born in Scotland (S), Ireland (I), or foreign parts (F)"

This page gives a lot of detail:-
http://www.gendocs.demon.co.uk/census.html

So the Y is that they were born in Dumfrieshire.

Cheers,
Pam