ANSELL family

[marie1964]

Would someone be kind enough to help me out with this family as I cannot find birth, marriage and death records. 

I am tracing John Abraham Ansell born to Edwin and Mary Ann nee Melchior 1859 in St Giles, Middx. He married Hannah in Jul 1879 in Newington. According to 1881 and 1891 census he was a Butcher. He had 8 children in all Mary Gertrude, Jessie, Ethel Maud, Edwin John , Rose Hannah, Albert Melchoir, Daisy Alice all baptised at St John the Baptist, Croydon and Winifred Augusta born Wandsworth.

The batism records have been found through IGI for the first 7 children and have found birth records through FreeBMD for 6 of the 7 but, cannot find the birth record for Rose Hannah bap 14 Jun 1885.

Also I cannot find a definite death record for John Abraham as the 1911 census states Hannah is widowed and as I cannot trace any of the remaining members of the family on the 1901 census he must have died between 1891 and 1911.

As I cannot trace this family after 1911 could they possibly have emigrated or something worse?

Sorry there is a lot to digest and I hope I have explained it clearly, so any help would be appreciated.

Thank You

[AMBLY]

Hi Marie

In 1891 - Rose A ANSELL age 9, is with her Granny ANSELL in 1891 Croydon, along with her sisters : Mary G 10, and Daisy A 2.

I see Rose was baptised Jun 14 1885 - same day as her 4 siblings (Mary, Jessie, Ethel & Edwin)
Search Labs / IGI have her chr as Rose Hannah
http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=home

but  I'd say she is probably registered as:
Rose Annie ANSELL - Dec Qtr 1881, Croydon

For Ref:
1891 the children are:
Mary G 10
Rose A 9
Jessie 8
Ethel M 7
Edwin J 6
Arthur (sic) M 4 (but birth & bp. as Albert)
Daisy A 2
Winifred A 4 mths
parents: John 34 and Hannah 33, b St Jiles, London

Cheers
AMBLY

[lizdb]

ooh - you were just to quick for me Ambly - I had come to the same conclusion but got the red writing when starting to type!

In answer to the other points - I will have a hunt on 1901 and see what I can see

And as for tracing after 1911 - well that is always difficult as there is not another census!
Have you searched for marriages for them?

[lizdb]

Are any of the children still with Hannah on 1911?

Or have any been found elsewhere on 1911?

There are numerous possible marriages for several of them  (eg Rose 1905 Lambeth, Jessie Annie 1907 Lambeth, Rose A 1911 Bethnal Green, several Ethel Ansells,  but some for others too)

1901 is proving to be a pain- no joy there.
Again 1911 findings in more detial may help.

[lizdb]

FreeBMD has several John Ansell deaths of the right age (ish) between 1891 and 1911

The nearest geographically is
1909 in Camberwell age 48

[AMBLY]

Hi

Agree - nothing coming up in 1901 any which way  

But I wonder if they upped sticks and went to the US of A

This from FindMyPast:
departed Southampton, destination New York
ANSELL
A  (female) 1863
Gertd M 1873
Jessie 1883
Ethel 1886
Edward 1887
Bertie - 1888
Daisy 1890
Winny 1892

Not sure if they all travelled together but sure looks like them, missing Rose and father, John. And Hannah down a "A" (misread of an "H"?)  With ages a bit out here and there.

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

Yep.

Winifred was naturalised as a US Citizen in 1926 / 1928 - said she arrived 1923.
But it looks as if she made a trip back to the UK in 1923.

Just pulling those details together now 

Cheers
AMBLY

[lizdb]

Excellent work Ambly

But Hannah back here in 1911? I cant see a record of her returning...
Perhaps it si not her in 1911 - hopefully marie will post all the detials when she gets back

[AMBLY]

WINIFRED AUGUSTA

Declaration of Intention (for Naturalization)
Filed Western District of Washington - on 15 Mar 1926
Winifred Augusta ANSELL age 35, Graduate Nurse, unmarried
Born: London England 10 Nov 1890
Address: 510, 9th Ave, Seattle, Washington
Last foreign residence: London England
Emigrated to the USA from Southampton on the"OLYMPIC", arriving New York on 6 Jun 1923
Descriptiion: White, medium complexion, 5',4" tall, brown hair, hazel eyes.

Naturalization petition was granted 15 Sep 1928.

TRAVEL: SS Olympic - Dep Southampton 30 May 1923, arr New York 5 Jun 1923
Winnifred ANSELL 32, single, Nurse,
Last  residence London; Destination: Seattle St Paul, Washington
Contact in UK: Mother Mrs Hannah ANSELL, 34 Todridon Rd, Catford, London SE
Her sister paid for her passage.
Has previouly been in USA in 1906
Contact in USA: Sister: Miss Jessie ANSELL of 516 University St., Seattle Washington.
Indicates she is indefinite about her plans and may only stay 1 year.

Cheers
AMBLY