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birth and babtism records
« on: Friday 20 August 10 20:58 BST (UK) »
Hi
Hope some one can help.
I have downloaded batism records and civil birth records from the IFHF web site for a Patrick Duffy born in Roscommon  on the 9 March 1871 and the given address as Fairymount is this a village or a town?
Does anyone know what the difference is between a Church baptism record and a civil birth record.
On the church baptism record they have the mothers name as Mary McKeon parish/district as Kilbride
 On the civil birth record they have her name as Margaret McKeoan and the parish/district as Ballyleague.
Two different spellings for the mother name.
On the Family Search web site for the same family the childs name is given as Patritius Duffy  the fathers name is given as Patritio Duffy and the mothers name as Maria McKeon.
Was this common practice to spell names differently depending on their denomination.
The family were Roman catholic.
Hope someone can help
Many thanks
John Duffy




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Re: birth and babtism records
« Reply #1 on: Friday 20 August 10 21:14 BST (UK) »
Fairymount is the name of the townland- in the civil parish of Kilgefin.
Roman Catholic registers for that period often used a Latin form of the names (such as Patritius for Patrick, Maria for Mary, etc.).
A baptismal record is a record of a church cerremony while a birth certificate is a civil registration of a birth.
I'm not familiar with that area of Roscommon but Kilbride (on the baptism) might be the name of the Catholic parish and Ballyleague on the birth certificate the registration sub-district (the registration district is Roscommon).


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Re: birth and babtism records
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 22 August 10 02:14 BST (UK) »
For data on Fairymount townland see the Roscommon History website
http://www.roscommonhistory.ie/People/JohnHunter/Index2.pdf
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For the definition of Townland, etc see
http://www.roscommonhistory.ie/People/JohnHunter/Notes.pdf
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For a map showing the location of Fairymount townland visit   
http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/MAPS/ballaghRC.html
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Ballyleague is the name of the Registrar’s District where the birth was registered. For a map showing the Registrar’s Districts in County Roscommon visit: http://www.roscommonhistory.ie/People/JohnHunter/Notes.pdf pages 8 - 13

For baptismal records for Cloontuskert, Kilgefin and Curraghroe Catholic parishes 1865 - 1881 see LDS film 989747. LDS records readily available world wide.

For details of land held by Patrick Duffy in Fairymount townland at the 1857 Griffith’s Valuation see
http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/GRIFFITH/

For change of occupiers of land in Fairymount townland, Kilgefin Civil parish from 1857 to 1920 see LDS film 844983 Item 2.

For further research look at the “Resource County Roscommon CD” at your local library.

For details of free Roscommon research web sites visit: 
http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=51430

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Re: birth and babtism records
« Reply #3 on: Friday 27 August 10 20:39 BST (UK) »
Hi
Many thanks for the info on births and baptisms.
Regards
John Duffy

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Re: birth and babtism records
« Reply #4 on: Monday 15 August 11 08:31 BST (UK) »
Sorry if this is too late to help - I've just spotted this query.  In response to the question about spelling of names - it was common practice until fairly recently for RC registers to Latinise the name, so Maria might actually be Mary or Maria on the birth certificate, Patricius might be Patrick or Padraig. Patricii refers to being the Father of x.  The Latin could be somewhat dodgy depending on how long it was since the priest had studied its grammar.

Maureen
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Re: birth and babtism records
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 18 August 11 12:53 BST (UK) »
Patrick Duffy on - http://www.failteromhat.com
have a look on the census - http://www.census.nationalarchive.ie
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

you might need at steet name.

Did they leave Ireland, Margaret age 70 widow on census 1901, Patrick 34 living at 2, Moyglass Ballygarden Roscommon

with Irish ages you have to give a little.


also on census 1901 Duffys living at 9 Kilgarve, Fairymount, Roscommon