Records for Northern Ireland

[JAndrews]

Also have information on Blacks- they moved near Andrews family which explains how John Henry and Mary Annie would have known each other.

Hugh Black, son of Thomas Black, farmer, Cloughfin (Kilcronaghan), married 25 Oct.1876 Maghera Prsbyterian Church to Mary Jane Wilson (d.bef.1910), Tobermore. By 1886 they were living at Churchtown, Ballintemple and then Gortfad c1900. Children:
1. Thomas (c1878).
I have Thomas as being born on 18 October 1877 and dying on 17 November 1965, marrying Mary Ellen (or Elizabeth - conflicting) Andrews in Coatbridge on 5 November 1909.  These are my Great Grandparents).
2. John Henry born 8 July 1879
Married Mary Anne Andrews on 31 December 1912 in Coleraine area.  He died in Coatbridge on 26 October 1949.

I presume that Mary Ellen Andrews and Mary Anne Andrews were some kind of relation but according to what I have they weren't sisters.
3. Hugh Clarke** born c1882 killed in action 24 Aug.1918. He eigrated to NZ c1912.
Born on 21 April 1881 and as you say died in 1918.  I didn't know that he emigrated and didn't know there was a photo of him.  If there's somewhere to see that, it would mean a lot to my Dad I'm sure!
4. Henry Wilson "Harry" born c1884 went to U.S.
Born 28 June 1884.
5. Margaret Anne born c1887
Born 20 January 1887 and died 28 February 1967.

Family were in Gortfad for 1901 and 1911 census-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Glenkeen/Gortfad/1520233/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Glenkeen/Gortfad/591307/

** have photo of Hugh in WWI uniform

To ask a stupid question, three of the "children" left Northern Ireland (Scotland, NZ and U.S).  Presumably this would just be due to a lack of work?

[JAndrews]

Hello Steaming North

I just googled Mary Andrews Black to see if it would bring anything up, and was surprised to see your searching message.

My Papa (Samuel Andrews) knew the Blacks from Coatbridge, they went to Dunbeth Church in Coatbridge (a Church of Scotland Church, the Church Building has now been converted into flats), The Mr Black he knew was called Hugh Black.  Hugh Black's cousin was Tommy Black who lived on a farm in Northern Ireland, Tommy Black was also my Papa's cousin, but my Papa was not related to Hugh.

Hugh Black was married to Anna Black who I have heard is living in Milport in Scotland they have a son called Wilson Black from what I have heard still lives in Scotland maybe the Glasgow area.  I hope this is helpful to you.

Could you give me any information on the Andrews family?
Is Miss Andrews who married a Black was she from the same Andrews Family as the man who built the Titanic.

Sorry if I sound a bit daft I just registered with this web site to reply to your question.

Hope you have luck finding what you are looking for.

JAndrews

[Jet2823]

Hello Aghadowey

I am picking up on this thread, as I am a descendent of Hugh Black and Mary Jane Wilson and you have provided this info below


‘Hugh Black, son of Thomas Black, farmer, Cloughfin (Kilcronaghan), married 25 Oct.1876 Maghera Prsbyterian Church to Mary Jane Wilson (d.bef.1910), Tobermore. By 1886 they were living at Churchtown, Ballintemple and then Gortfad c1900. Children:
1. Thomas (c1878).
2. John Henry born 8 July 1879
3. Hugh Clarke** born c1882 killed in action 24 Aug.1918. He eigrated to NZ c1912.
4. Henry Wilson "Harry" born c1884 went to U.S.
5. Margaret Anne born c1887

Family were in Gortfad for 1901 and 1911 census-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Glenkeen/Gortfad/1520233/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Glenkeen/Gortfad/591307/

** have photo of Hugh in WWI uniform’

I also noted that you have records of Main Street Presbyterian Church. I wonder if you know if Hugh and Mary Black attended Main Street and are the buried there? Also, what is the record that shows them living in Churchtown, Ballintemple?

Many Thanks

[aghadowey]

I also noted that you have records of Main Street Presbyterian Church. I wonder if you know if Hugh and Mary Black attended Main Street and are the buried there?
The only Black recorded in baptisms & marriages for Main St. is the 1912 marriage of John Black of Coatbridge to Mary Annie Andrews.

Also, what is the record that shows them living in Churchtown, Ballintemple?
Family living at Churchtown in 1884 (when Henry was baptised in 1st Garvagh) and 1887 (when Margaret was baptised there.
The PRONI Valuation Revision Books (online, free) should give a better idea of when they were in Churchtown and Gortfad (covers from printed version of Griffith's Valuation until c1930).
I suspect the 1886 date is from a tenant's list but would need to double check to be sure (it's downstairs and I'm not at the moment).

[Jet2823]

Many thanks Aghadowey. I haven’t seen the Valuation books online before. Do you know by chance, when e.g. Lord Garvagh sold to tenants? I notice in 1914, records say ‘In fee’ with Lord Garvagh scored out.

Thanks for confirming the baptism of Henry and Margaret at 1st Garvagh. Do you know if 1st Garvagh records confirm that Hugh and Mary are buried in old 1st Garvagh graveyard?

Thanks

[aghadowey]

Presbyterian churches don't usually keep burial records. This is the only Black headstone-
BLACK In loving memory of our dear daughter Nellie, who died 28th January 1952. Her father Thomas Black, who died 17th November 1965. Also her mother Mary Elizabeth who died 24th September 1872 and her brother Hugh Clarke Black who died 20th November 1995.

Note: transcription done a few years ago so not sure if any new details are on the headstone

[Slim94]

Hi I wanted to pick up on this post as my wife’s great grandfather Robert William was a brother to Margaret Andrews and Mary Anne Andrews mentioned in this thread.

Would love to find out any more details of the Andrews family. As far as we know their father Joseph Andrews owned a shop in the townland of Ballyrogan which is now derelict. If anyone has any photos or info linked to the Andrews family we would love to see them, and we have some photos and any info we have we would be happy to share.

Thanks in advance this is my first post 

[Kiltaglassan]

Welcome to RootsChat 

Would love to find out any more details of the Andrews family. As far as we know their father Joseph Andrews owned a shop in the townland of Ballyrogan which is now derelict.

You may have this information, but for others here are some links-

Robert William Andrews married Cassie Walls in 1916.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1916/09777/5548603.pdf

The very sad death of Joseph Andrews in 1915.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1915/05268/4462108.pdf

Ballyrogan townland
https://www.townlands.ie/londonderry/coleraine/errigal/glenkeen/ballyrogan/

Robert William ANDREWS born 28th September 1917     MMN WALLS
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1917/01298/1537512.pdf

James Thomas ANDREWS born 3rd January 1920     MMN WALLS
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1920/01227/1510516.pdf

KG

[Slim94]

Brilliant thank you for all that info KG. The Robert William Andrews born at Liscall who was the son of Robert William and Cassie is my wife’s grandfather.

We know he had two brothers Thomas and Joseph with Robert being the youngest son, so it is fascinating to see that was here was also a James Thomas Andrews who was born 3 years after Robert. I wonder what happened to him, as were told stories there was a young member of the Andrews family who may have drowned at Portrush. We’re speculating could this possibly be him?