Records for Northern Ireland

[aghadowey]

To be a bit cheeky - could you tell me where you are finding this information?

I am registered on a well known and advertised website for searching and recording but getting nowhere fast!

Everyone knows everyone else in Garvagh  I have the church records of Main St. Presbyterian Church

[kingskerswell]

Hi,
   I have a Hugh Black who married Mary Jane Wilson on 25 Oct 1876 in Maghera Presbyterian Church.
   Also a tentative Joseph Andrews who married Margaret Holmes on 4 Jun 1887 in Boveedy Presbyterian Church, Ballymoney District Co. Londonderry.

Regards

[aghadowey]

Attached is photo of Maggie Andrews' shop in Garvagh taken c1923. She married (1921) a widower, Alexander Cunningham.
Also have more details on Andrews family which I'd need to send by PM if you are interested.

Added- that section of Main St. has been demolished.

[aghadowey]

Also have information on Blacks- they moved near Andrews family which explains how John Henry and Mary Annie would have known each other.

Hugh Black, son of Thomas Black, farmer, Cloughfin (Kilcronaghan), married 25 Oct.1876 Maghera Prsbyterian Church to Mary Jane Wilson (d.bef.1910), Tobermore. By 1886 they were living at Churchtown, Ballintemple and then Gortfad c1900. Children:
1. Thomas (c1878).
2. John Henry born 8 July 1879
3. Hugh Clarke** born c1882 killed in action 24 Aug.1918. He eigrated to NZ c1912.
4. Henry Wilson "Harry" born c1884 went to U.S.
5. Margaret Anne born c1887

Family were in Gortfad for 1901 and 1911 census-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Glenkeen/Gortfad/1520233/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Glenkeen/Gortfad/591307/

** have photo of Hugh in WWI uniform

[Steaming North]

Right!  The emails popping up tempted me to come and have a look!

In order (I think).

Added- have a baptism for a John Henry Black 2 Oct.1878 son of John Black and Mary Henry
I think this must be a different John Henry Black, born with the same name, around the same time, but with different parents.  I definitely have his parents as being Hugh Lyle Black and Mary Jane Wilson.

If it's the correct John Henry Black then I have details of lots of siblings, parents and grandparents. May have found your Mary Anne Andrews but will wait until you check your notes before posting any more details.
As I say I think this must be a different John, but possibly the same Mary Anne Andrews?  Would be interested to know some more.

John Black married Mary Annie Andrews on 31 Dec 1912 in Garvagh 2nd Presbyterian Church, Coleraine District. Should Aghadowey's suggestion be correct then John Black married Mary Henry on 11 Dec 1862 in Coleraine Civil Registrar's office.
That confirms what I've got on record but gives more detail.

Actual marriage record (2nd/Main St. Presbyterian Church), 31 Dec.1912: John Black, full age, bachelor, foreman ironworks, 31 Kildonan St. Coatbridge Scotland, son of Hugh Black, farmer, to Mary Annie Andrews, full age, spinster, Garvagh, dau. of Joseph Andrews, farmer. Witnesses: Andrew W. Boyd, Maggie J. Andrews.
Even more info. again!

Here's Mary Annie Andrews and sister (probably witness on the wedding) in 1911-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Garvagh/Main_Street/591041/

And this look like family in 1901 living just outside Garvagh-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Glenkeen/Ballyrogan/1520117/
And in 1911-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Glenkeen/Ballyrogan/591197/
Thank you.

I have a Hugh Black who married Mary Jane Wilson on 25 Oct 1876 in Maghera Presbyterian Church.
   Also a tentative Joseph Andrews who married Margaret Holmes on 4 Jun 1887 in Boveedy Presbyterian Church, Ballymoney District Co. Londonderry.
Thank you.  I'll have to see if I can tie Joseph Andrews in to it all.

Attached is photo of Maggie Andrews' shop in Garvagh taken c1923. She married (1921) a widower, Alexander Cunningham.
Also have more details on Andrews family which I'd need to send by PM if you are interested.

Added- that section of Main St. has been demolished.
Very interesting thanks.  Do we know what the shop was?  Yes, I'd love for you to PM me some more information on the Andrews.

Just something you may find interesting, my name is Joseph Andrew Black, my father Andrew Black, my grandfather Joseph Andrew Black...his mothers surname Andrews.  I presume that this is where "Andrew" came into our names.  So now I know!

Thanks again to you both.

[aghadowey]

The shop in Garvagh was milliners/dressmakers- see the sisters' occupations in 1911 census.

Will start typing and send PM ...

[Steaming North]

Also have information on Blacks- they moved near Andrews family which explains how John Henry and Mary Annie would have known each other.

Hugh Black, son of Thomas Black, farmer, Cloughfin (Kilcronaghan), married 25 Oct.1876 Maghera Prsbyterian Church to Mary Jane Wilson (d.bef.1910), Tobermore. By 1886 they were living at Churchtown, Ballintemple and then Gortfad c1900. Children:
1. Thomas (c1878).
I have Thomas as being born on 18 October 1877 and dying on 17 November 1965, marrying Mary Ellen (or Elizabeth - conflicting) Andrews in Coatbridge on 5 November 1909.  These are my Great Grandparents).
2. John Henry born 8 July 1879
Married Mary Anne Andrews on 31 December 1912 in Coleraine area.  He died in Coatbridge on 26 October 1949.

I presume that Mary Ellen Andrews and Mary Anne Andrews were some kind of relation but according to what I have they weren't sisters.
3. Hugh Clarke** born c1882 killed in action 24 Aug.1918. He eigrated to NZ c1912.
Born on 21 April 1881 and as you say died in 1918.  I didn't know that he emigrated and didn't know there was a photo of him.  If there's somewhere to see that, it would mean a lot to my Dad I'm sure!
4. Henry Wilson "Harry" born c1884 went to U.S.
Born 28 June 1884.
5. Margaret Anne born c1887
Born 20 January 1887 and died 28 February 1967.

Family were in Gortfad for 1901 and 1911 census-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Glenkeen/Gortfad/1520233/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Glenkeen/Gortfad/591307/

** have photo of Hugh in WWI uniform

To ask a stupid question, three of the "children" left Northern Ireland (Scotland, NZ and U.S).  Presumably this would just be due to a lack of work?

[aghadowey]

It's not a stupid question- yes, many young people left the area pre-WWI to find better oportunities mainly in Canada, U.S., Australia and N.Z.

Harry Wilson Black to U.S. 16 Oct.1909 from Londonderry, Ireland. 1919 Villa Nova, Pennsylvania. 5 Nov.1919 applied for U.S. passport to visit father & brothers.

[aghadowey]

Sent you details of gravestone earlier by PM. Notice that you mentioned Mary E. Andrews probably related to Mary Annie Andrews but possibly not sisters.

Samuel Andrews, son of John Andrews, Gortfad was baptised 12 Dec.1849 Main St. Presbyterian Church (mother's name not recorded at that time). Samuel Andrews (carpenter) married Ellen Malone and had:
1. John born 16 June 1876, bapt. 20 Aug.1876
2. Samuel born 14 Feb.1878, bapt. 12 Mar.1878
3. James born 14 Feb.1878, bapt. 12 Mar.1878
4. Ellen Jane born 18 Apr.1879, bapt. 13 July 1879
5. William bapt. 23 Oct.1881
6. Mary Elizabeth bapt. 18 June 1883
7. Maggie born 5 Oct.1887, bapt. 9 June 1888

1901 Census- Samuel Andrews and some of the family living in Garvagh (mistranscribed as Sarvagh)-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Garvagh/Sarvagh/1519987/
1911 census- widow Ellen and 2 children still in Garvagh-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Garvagh/Garvagh/590941/

Death for Samuel Andrews July/Sept.1906 Coleraine district (age 56) is in civil index.

1901 census- Gortfad- Stewart Andrews, sister Rackel Rankin and niece Mary E. Andrews:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Glenkeen/Gortfad/1520232/
(from other records- Rachel Andrews married 1863 John Rankin, Cah, daughter of William Andrews)
1911 census- Stewart Andrews in Gortfad with cousin William Andrews:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Glenkeen/Gortfad/591305/

Death registration- Stewart Andrews Apr./June 1915 Coleraine district (age 85)
- Rachael Rankin death Apr./June 1907 Coleraine district (age 84)