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Margaret Jane Freezer/Frazer and David Lothian
« on: Monday 23 August 10 14:11 BST (UK) »
I wonder if anyone can help - I have spent hours trying to find the family link between these two people. Margaret Jane Freezer (born Sept Qtr 1875 in Gressenhall, Norfolk) is our direct ancestor. Her parents were Thomas Freezer (b1823 Beetley Norfolk, died 1880 ditto) and Mary Ann Winter (born 1831 Gressenhall died 1905 Mitford Norfolk). She married John Stainthorpe Marsay and they lived in and around the Middlesbrough area. Their firstborn son, who died in infancy, was named David Lothian Marsay.The family story is that she pined for the sea (because she had lived with her 'grandfather', a mariner, in Whitby), and died young of a broken heart. I therefore tried to find out about this grandfather. What I did find is that in the 1881 census she still lived with her parents in Norfolk, but in 1891 she lived with her 'cousin', David Lothian, a mariner, in Ruswarp near Whitby. David's father, Edward Lothian (born 1818 in Robin Hoods Bay, died 30 November 1896 in Whitby, married to Mary Hodgson 1821-9.3.1892) was also a mariner, as was David's elder brother, also Edward Lothian. The graves of Edward junior and David Lothian are in Fylingdales churchyard. I have followed all Frazer/Freezer, Winter and Lothian family lines but have failed to find the blood link between Margaret Freezer/Frazer and David Lothian.   Any suggestions? Thank you very much for any help.       

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Re: Margaret Jane Freezer/Frazer and David Lothian
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 09 October 10 19:33 BST (UK) »
Did the family drop the surname Marsay? there are many Marsay families that come from Staithes, they believe Marsay was the name  ( or at least sounding like it) of a man shipwrecked off the coast near Staithes in the 1700's.......

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Re: Margaret Jane Freezer/Frazer and David Lothian
« Reply #2 on: Monday 11 October 10 14:14 BST (UK) »
Hi Lee,

Many thanks for your reply.

Margaret Frazer/Freezer's only connection with the Marsay family is that she married John Stainthorpe Marsay.

As far as I know, the Lothians had no connection with any Marsay family.

Still trying to work out how Margaret was related to her 'cousin', David Lothian.

The Marsays from Staithes could well be related to my Marsay family (it is a  massive family!), so I welcome any more info.

All the best

Sundial

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Re: Margaret Jane Freezer/Frazer and David Lothian
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 21 December 10 20:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi all

Margaret Jane Freezer was my Gt Grandfather's sister.  Margaret was a cousin to David Lothian because his "wife" Sarah was in fact Margaret's cousin.  Sarah was born Sarah Jane Winter who was born in Sutton Bridge, Lincolnshire in 1851.  She was previously "married" to a Mr Whaley according to the 1851 census but was a widow.  It took me a long time to work out the relationship.

So far I have not been able to find any marriages of David after his first wife died on the 7 October 1878 at Robin Hood's Bay.

Look forward to hearing from you both and your connections.

Regards
Lesley
Norfolk: Freezer, Winter, Tye, Twigg, Harman, Osborn, Sieley, Wray, Gray, Saddleton/Sadler, Ray, Elliott, Copling, Newstead, Parsley, Payne, Purple, Watkins, Atmore, Butters, Boyce,


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Re: Margaret Jane Freezer/Frazer and David Lothian
« Reply #4 on: Friday 31 December 10 22:28 GMT (UK) »
hi i have a connection to john stainthorpe marsay, from what i found they also had a child named david lothian marsay, i have a couple of pics of their son thomas if you'd like them
Brotton History Website - www.communigate.co.uk/ne/brottonhistory
RIDDIOUGH FAMILY - www.riddiough.com

Riddiough - Brotton, Shipley
Trinder - Berkshire, Loftus
Marsay - Whitby, Brotton, Boosbeck
Yeoman - Whitby, Loftus, Brotton
Harris - Loftus, Devon
Sibly - Cornwall, Brotton
Spargo - Devon
Pulford - West Yorkshire
Ward - Loftus
Leach - Shipley, Baildon, Saltaire

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Re: Margaret Jane Freezer/Frazer and David Lothian
« Reply #5 on: Friday 31 December 10 22:31 GMT (UK) »
Hi Julie

I would love to see them.  Happy New Year

Lesley
Norfolk: Freezer, Winter, Tye, Twigg, Harman, Osborn, Sieley, Wray, Gray, Saddleton/Sadler, Ray, Elliott, Copling, Newstead, Parsley, Payne, Purple, Watkins, Atmore, Butters, Boyce,

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Re: Margaret Jane Freezer/Frazer and David Lothian
« Reply #6 on: Friday 31 December 10 22:33 GMT (UK) »


The Marsays from Staithes could well be related to my Marsay family (it is a  massive family!), so I welcome any more info.



Sundial

yes they are massive i'm finding branches for them all the time and they all call their kids the same names which gets very confusing
Brotton History Website - www.communigate.co.uk/ne/brottonhistory
RIDDIOUGH FAMILY - www.riddiough.com

Riddiough - Brotton, Shipley
Trinder - Berkshire, Loftus
Marsay - Whitby, Brotton, Boosbeck
Yeoman - Whitby, Loftus, Brotton
Harris - Loftus, Devon
Sibly - Cornwall, Brotton
Spargo - Devon
Pulford - West Yorkshire
Ward - Loftus
Leach - Shipley, Baildon, Saltaire

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Re: Margaret Jane Freezer/Frazer and David Lothian
« Reply #7 on: Friday 31 December 10 22:35 GMT (UK) »
thomas f marsay
Brotton History Website - www.communigate.co.uk/ne/brottonhistory
RIDDIOUGH FAMILY - www.riddiough.com

Riddiough - Brotton, Shipley
Trinder - Berkshire, Loftus
Marsay - Whitby, Brotton, Boosbeck
Yeoman - Whitby, Loftus, Brotton
Harris - Loftus, Devon
Sibly - Cornwall, Brotton
Spargo - Devon
Pulford - West Yorkshire
Ward - Loftus
Leach - Shipley, Baildon, Saltaire

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Re: Margaret Jane Freezer/Frazer and David Lothian
« Reply #8 on: Friday 31 December 10 22:36 GMT (UK) »
thomas and wife ada
Brotton History Website - www.communigate.co.uk/ne/brottonhistory
RIDDIOUGH FAMILY - www.riddiough.com

Riddiough - Brotton, Shipley
Trinder - Berkshire, Loftus
Marsay - Whitby, Brotton, Boosbeck
Yeoman - Whitby, Loftus, Brotton
Harris - Loftus, Devon
Sibly - Cornwall, Brotton
Spargo - Devon
Pulford - West Yorkshire
Ward - Loftus
Leach - Shipley, Baildon, Saltaire