MILNE, Greenock, James Hutchison Milne b. 1907

[Greenock]

Hi All,

I'm researching my Scottish family tree from here in the US.

My maternal grandfather was James Hutchison Milne 1907 - 1981.  His parents were James Milne poss. of Aberdeen, and Mary Jane McCabe poss of Dundee.

James 1907 married Elizabeth Williams Bryceland 1912 - 1954 on 24 Dec 1931 and proceeded to have many children, including my mother**.

Elizabeth Williams Bryceland was the daughter of Thomas Bryceland 1890 - 1946 and Elizabeth Williams Mooney 1890 - 1941.

I've been running into dead ends at my gg-grandparents.  Would love to learn more about the Milnes and Brycelands.

Cheers,
Greenock

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[trish1120]

Re Thomas Bryceland 1890.
Have you seen his Military info WW1?

Signed up 22/8/1914 
Discharged Medically Unfit 9/2/1915 
Brief description when signed up;
24 yrs and 179 days old
5ft 3 inches, Weight 127 pounds
Fresh Complexion, Red hair, Blue Eyes
Tattoo, Bird on R Arm
Married Elizabeth MOONEY, 24/2/1911 Greenock
Children;
JOHN, Birth 3/4/1911, Baptised 9/4 by Father Ryan
ELIZABETH, Birth 8/9/1912, Baptised 20/9 by Father Ryan

If he was born c 1890 he should appear on the 1891 Census but he doesnt appear too.
Could he have lied about his age at Enlistment for some unknown reason?
The only Thomas Bryceland I can find is on the 1901 census, Greeock, Parents JOHN and ELIZABETH born c 1893.

Trish

[elaine447]

Hi Greenock
Welcome to Rootschat
Elizabeth Mooney
was the daughter of Charles Mooney and Elizabeth Williams
Charles and Elizabeth were married in Greenock 1881
Thomas Bryceland born 1891 Greenock
Elaine

[elaine447]

Charles Mooney & Elizabeth Williams Marriage 1st February 1881
Charles parents were Charles Mooney and Isabella Burns
Elizabeths parents      William Williams and Margaret Cuthbertson
do you have any of these families on any of the censuses ?
I will send you a PM once you have made another post

[Greenock]

Hi  trish1120 and  elaine447,

Thanks so much for these details, most of which I did not have.   Would love to know more.

[elaine447]

Hi Greenock
the 1881 census
33Vennel Greenock
Margaret Williams----------Head--------43----------Stanley Lanark-----------char woman widowed
Margaret Williams---------daughter----16----------Greenock------------------millworker
Thomas  Williams -----------Son---------13----------Greenock------------------scholar
Mary Williams--------------daughter-----11----------Greenock------------------Scholar           
Morris  Williams--------------son----------9-----------Greenock------------------Scholar             
Catherine Williams-------daughter------5-----------Greenock------------------Scholar
Charles Mooney ---------grandson-----1 mth------Greenock -----------------
Charles Mooney--------Son in Law-----24----------Ireland --------------------general labourer 
Elizabeth Mooney--------daughter ----20----------Greenock-------------------


William Williams died September 1880 at 33 Vennel
Morris Williams died 24th October 1888 Railway accident
Margaret Williams died 29th March 1910  3 broomhill street                                 

[Greenock]

Thanks elaine447!  This confirms and adds to some of the information I have.  Much appreciated!

[trish1120]

Age doesnt match but the only one I can find born Greenock;
1901 Scotland Census
30 Ann Street,
Greenock West, Renfrewshire
Greenock West/43/15/18
John Bryceland, 58, Head, Mar, Rivetter, born Ireland
Eliz Bryceland,    40, Wife, Mar, born Greenock
Wm Bryceland, 23, Son, Unm, Mason, born Greenock
Ellen Bryceland, 18, Daug, Unm, Mill Worker, born Greenock
Jos Bryceland, 15, Son, Unm, Labourer Sawmill, born Greenock
Danl Bryceland, 12, Son, Unm, Scholar, born Greenock
THOS Bryceland, 8, Son, Unm, Scholar, born Greenock

Re Military Record. Now to the 'gritty' stuff!
Wife Address, 6 West Stewart Rd, Greenock
Religion, Roman Catholic
Charges;
1; Overstaying his Pass from Midnight to 10PM 28th (1 Day 22Hrs)
Reprimanded 24/10/14
2; Drunk parading at the Post as Battalion Orderly Corporal.
Severely Reprimanded 31/12/1914
Discharged;
Reason, Not likely to become an efficient Soldier
Medical, Large Varicole, Refuses Operation
Regiment, Cameron Highlanders, 6th Battalion, Private No 10125
Applied for Pension, 2 January 1918

[Greenock]

Well, isn't THAT some racy stuff!!  Just to clarify, this military record is for John Bryceland?