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Link: Irish Estate Records
« on: Tuesday 25 March 08 03:14 GMT (UK) »
Irish Estate Records - Explanation & County Index http://tinyurl.com/3rpvld

Estate records play an extremely important part in Irish genealogy. Documents held in archives throughout Ireland can assist in finding those missing ancestors. There's always a possibility that your elusive ancestors may well be mentioned in leases and tenancy agreements which contain records of generations of Irish people who might not otherwise be traced in a search.

This page of the Bomford.net website contains a summary the Bomfords and their estates at the turn of the eighteenth century. http://tinyurl.com/6m7xp4 The family's properties were located in Counties Kildare, Meath and Westmeath.

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Articles about Estate Records
Co. Derry www.from-ireland.net/derry/derry.htm

Incumbered Estates Records / Landed Estates Court Rentals http://tinyurl.com/4ckxbp

The Irish Ancestors website has an article about Estate Records. The Records held by the National Archives and The National Library are not catalogued in detail. It would be an idea to look at Richard Hayes' "Manuscript Sources for the Study of Irish Civilization" and its supplements. These are available in the Library. Many of the collections in the National Library still have to be catalogued. www.ireland.com/ancestor/browse/records/land/estate.htm

The Public Records Office in Belfast holds the largest collection of estate records in the north of Ireland. http://tinyurl.com/6o686m The situation at the Public Record Office of Northern Ireland is not much better than it is in Dublin as access to their Estate Records depends on your knowledge of the landlord's name.

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Articles about Estate Records
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 21 May 08 21:55 BST (UK) »
If your ancestors were tenants on one of the many estates in Ireland it may be worth while to read some of these articles and learn more about the records. There's not much info showing the names of the tenants online, there are bits and bobs relating to some of the estates, so you may have to consider a visit to Ireland or alternatively employing a professional researcher or asking RootsChatters if they'd be willing to assist.

There's a good article on Ancestry.com - Irish Estate Records - which mentions the problem facing family historians searching for their Irish roots. Many of the estate records are still in private hands. I've no doubt that the majority of people holding such records would offer some hospitality and be generous enough to permit people to look at their records. This is what happened to the author of the Ancestry article. However a search is likely to take a long time ... the records may well consist of heaps of boxed papers, which are not catalogued or indexed, stacked against the walls of a library. You may find it surprising but there are still a number of people holding such records who have not the slightest clue of their value to family and local historians. www.ancestry.com/learn/library/article.aspx?article=1957

18th & 19th Century Estate Records - Links
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Catalogue of Records held at TCD - Link
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Irish Ancestors - Estate Records
www.ireland.com/ancestor/browse/records/land/estate.htm

Moving Here - Tracing Your Roots - Estate Records
www.movinghere.org.uk/galleries/roots/irish/irishrecords/estaterecords.htm

PRONI - Your Family Tree - Series 8: Landed Estate Records
www.proni.gov.uk/your_family_tree_series_-_08_-_landed_estate_records.pdf

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Link - Pembroke Estate Papers
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 12 June 08 18:54 BST (UK) »
The Pembroke Estate Papers are held at the National Archives. The Agreements section on the website contains the names of people who leased properties from the Estate. www.nationalarchives.ie/PDF/PembrokeEstatePapers.pdf

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1876 - Land Owners in Ireland
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 24 July 08 12:22 BST (UK) »
Land Owners in Ireland shown on John Hayes website. These Land Owners are listed by county in alphabetical order. The names and address show every land owner in Ireland 1876 who had at least one acre of land. www.failteromhat.com/lo1876.htm


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ESTATE RECORDS
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 17 August 08 21:12 BST (UK) »
The Public Record Office in Belfast holds eighty two volumes which comprise the rentals and sale particulars of the Irish Encumbered Estates from 1849-1858. http://tinyurl.com/58ypmp Broken Link?

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The Originals are still in the National Archive, Dublin

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Irish Landed Estates - Links
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 24 September 08 07:42 BST (UK) »
There's already an Irish Research Council in the Humanities and Social Sciences (IRCHSS) funded database project relating to the landed estates of Connaught from the 18th - 20th centuries ... at some date in the future it appears that this database will be followed by the production of a similar one for the estates of Munster.

The Big House and Landed Estate Life in Ireland tells the stories of the country homes of Irish landlords, the families, tenants and way of life from their origin in the 18th century to the demise in the early 1900s using documents, photographs and maps etc. from the local studies collections of the public libraries across the country. There were over 4,000 Big House Country Estates in Ireland at the beginning of the 19th century, today there are less than one hundred.

The Connacht Landed Estates Project aims to produce a comprehensive and integrated resource guide to landed estates and gentry houses in Connacht, c. 1700-1914 which should be of assistance to researchers working on the social, economic, political and cultural history of Connacht during these years.  www.landedestates.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/index.jsp

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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 16 November 08 00:25 GMT (UK) »
The Irish President, Mary McAleese, launched the new OPW-NUI Maynooth Archive and Research Centre at Castletown House, Celbridge, Co. Kildare on Thursday. One of the Collections which has been deposited at the Centre is the Strokestown Estate Famine Archive. The documents in the Collection are being prepared for listing and it is hoped
that they will be ready for public viewing by next year. http://communications.nuim.ie/131108.shtml

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Re: 18th & 19th Century Estate Records - Links
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 03 June 09 14:17 BST (UK) »
There are papers relating to the Abercromby family estate at Fermoy lodged in the archives of Aberdeenshire Heritage, MS number PEHMS:NN58. They consist of rental accounts, tithes, compulsory sale of workers' houses and general estate correspondence, dated 1831-1917.

You can contact the archives manager here:

Helen.Chavez[at]aberdeenshire.gov.uk

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Landed Estates Court Rentals
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 18 July 10 17:52 BST (UK) »
The Landed Estates Court Rentals are one of the lesser known, and consequently under-used sources for anyone engaged in Irish research. 
Background
By the time of the Famine, as prices for sale or rental of land plummeted, the monies that had to be paid out from the individual estates remained the same, and many Irish estates became insolvent as debts exceeded earnings. However, the landowners could not sell their estates to discharge their debts, because the land was entailed.

Establishment of the Land Courts
The Encumbered Estates Court was established in 1849. In 1852, it was replaced by the Landed Estates Courts, which was itself superseded in 1877 by the Land Judges Court, part of the Chancery Division of the High Court. Although there were some differences in the powers of these courts, their principal function remained the same, to sell off insolvent estates.

The Land Courts system was the first significant step towards the break-up of the old estates in Ireland. From the genealogist’s perspective, the Rentals have an added value, because the estate records (rentals, maps, leases) that would have existed prior to these sales, no longer survive. This is because once the parliamentary grant to title was secured by purchase from the Land Courts, there was no need to retain any of the documentation regarding previous land title.

What are the Rentals and where can they be found
The Rentals are effectively printed sale-catalogues, which were circulated to prospective purchasers in advance of the sale. They were compiled with the intention of attracting purchasers and of providing information on the estate in a clear and uniform manner. The Land Courts sold estates in every county in Ireland, and the Rentals as a whole cover large parts of the country. The estates now sold included urban as well as rural property, and many of the Rentals relate to houses and other buildings in villages, towns and cities. The information is printed and presented in a standard manner.

 The title page in a Rental identifies the estate and gives the date and place of the sale. So for example, In the Court of the Commissioners for Sale of Incumbered Estates in Ireland, No. 14 Henrietta Street Dublin…In the matter of the estate of the Rev. William Minchin of Green Hills in the County of Tipperary, Owner… Sale on Thursday the 27th Day of November 1851…
This is usually followed by brief descriptive particulars of the estate and its situation, intended to bring in prospective buyers. Anyone who has read the property section of a newspaper, will know what to expect in this section.

To the genealogist the critical information contained in these Rentals, are the Lot descriptions. These outline the ownership history of the lot, the quantity of land and the yearly rent that can be charged. Most significantly, they also include the list of tenants, the size of the holding and the terms of tenure.

Where a tenant held by lease, rather than on a yearly tenancy, the particulars will also name all lives contracted for (usually three), and any of those named still alive at the time of the sale. So the information contained in the Rentals can allow the genealogist to document connections between close family members going back one or more generations.

To give you an example, in the Rental for sale of the estate of the Rev. William Minchin, we are told that Lot 5 comprises “The Town and Lands of Moneygall, Kilkekearan … and Gurrane.” If we turn to Lot 5, we get a full description of all tenants, including, (p. 19, no. 43), “the representatives of William & Joseph Kearney… who hold two houses and gardens in [the town of Moneygall] for which they pay an annual rent of £6 10s.”
The Rental further tells us that this land was held by lease dated 1st May 1800… between William Minchin, and “William Kearney and Joseph Kearney (brother to the said William Kearney), and Joseph Kearney son to the said William Kearney, of whom the said Joseph Kearney, the son of the said lessee William Kearney is now [November 1851] the only surviving life.”
In the instance cited above, a gap in the parish records meant that the evidence in the Landed Estate Court Rentals, was the only documented proof of this family connection.

The Rentals also usually include a map to situate the estate or lot in relation to the surrounding countryside, and often also a detailed map of the lot itself. In the case of urban property, a village or town-plan.

In the Republic of Ireland, the National Archives holds most of the Landed Estates Court Rentals, of which the ones most relevant to genealogical research are two sets of published Rentals. The O’Brien Rentals include almost all Rentals published between 1849 and 1885. The Quit Rent Office set of Rentals is less complete, but includes rentals for the period after 1885. A third set of Rentals is held in the National Library of Ireland. In Northern Ireland another large set of the Rentals is held in the Public Records Office.

The complete set of Landed Estates Court Rentals are currently being digitised and indexed by Eneclann, and will be published online later this year.


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