McDonnell and Doyne

[Satchelkid]

Does anyone have any further details about the following?  Especially after birth details of Mary Ann McDonnell.  Can’t find her on any of the major sites.
My maternal gran told me her maternal gran was Marianne Doyle, whose mother was possibly French.
Marianne married Peter McDonnell and although I don’t have their marriage certificate, another family member noted down info about the wedding that is detailed enough for me to suppose that it is genuine: it occurred 2 Feb 1879 at St Nicholas of Myra, Francis Street, Dublin; Married according to the rites of the Roman Catholic Church by the Reverend PJ Warren.  Witnesses were Lawrence Kanvanagh and Ellen Kanvanagh (sic).
My gran claimed they were both from Southern Ireland although a cousin maintained Peter was from the Isle of Skye.  He was also supposedly in the Black Watch Barracks at Dublin.
Marianne died giving birth to the couple’s only child, Mary Ann McDonnell.  According to gran she was born in October 1881 but according to a cousin it was 1879.
According to gran, Mary Ann came to Liverpool to look for a job and got one in a launderette as a Fancy Ironer, which was quite a specialised profession involving ironing complicated frilly garments such as waitresses’ caps.  She earned 24 shillings a week for this trade which compares favourably with her husband’s 18 shillings a week.
Her husband was Albert Henry Davies who was born 5th January 1875 in Liverpool.  The couple married in a registry office on 9th August 1898 when Mary Ann was only 19 (which confirms her birth date as being 1879).  They lived in Liverpool until Mary Ann died on 12th February 1910.  Mary Ann and Albert Henry begat eight children between 1900 and 1909.  In order of birth they were: Peter, Albert Henry, Anne, Louise, Robert, Charles Frederick, Maud May (gran), and Dorothy.  Because Mary Ann was Catholic, she ensured that all the children attended church.
Many thanks.

[jorose]

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=home
 - Marianne's marriage (index only; you should try to buy the original) is found here.
A marriage between a Laurence Kavanagh and Ellen Doyne is also listed on that site.

[shanew147]

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although I don’t have their marriage certificate, another family member noted down info about the wedding that is detailed enough for me to suppose that it is genuine: it occurred 2 Feb 1879 at St Nicholas of Myra, Francis Street, Dublin; Married according to the rites of the Roman Catholic Church by the Reverend PJ Warren.  Witnesses were Lawrence Kanvanagh and Ellen Kanvanagh (sic).
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The full title of the parish and church is 'St. Nicholas of Myra (Without), Francis Street' The without refers to the fact that it was located outside the old city walls (there's another St. Nicholas parish which was within the walls).

The parish is not included on the website at www.irishgenealogy.ie at the moment, although the equivalent Church of Ireland parish is. Details of more RC parishes are due to be added later this year.

There does appear to be a matching Civil record of the marriage in the right registration district :

 Name: Marianne Doyne
 Registration District: Dublin South
 Event Type: Marriage
 Quarter and Year: Jan - Mar 1879
 volume Number: 2 / page Number: 733

 Name: Peter M'Donnell
 [same index details]
 
A marriage cert would show full address, details of father etc..

There are also a number of other Doyne BMD registrations in Ireland.


Shane

[Satchelkid]

Many thanks to both of you.  I have (I hope) deleted messages to my duplicate board - or at least pressed 'Notify' which the site stated disables more posts to it.  Although I've been trying to trace relatives since Oct 2009, I'm new to this site so don't know all the etiquette.

Thanks again - you've given me a starting point and another site to add to my faves list

 

[shanew147]

for more details on searching, see the topic : Introduction to Irish Records

Do you know the name & occupation of Marianne Doyne's father from the marriage cert ?


Shane

[Satchelkid]

Tried to order the cert online but the first 3 sites I found seem to require a specific date for an event in a specific format such as DD/MM/YYYY, whereas I only have the quarter of registration.  Is there a website for ordering such certs when you know only the details you have given me?

Cheers.

[shanew147]

You can order a cert from the GRO using the index details mentioned above- see : Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon


Shane

[Satchelkid]

Hi Shane - no, the only details I have are those I've given.  They are from a handwritten note by a relative who's now dead.  I am going to send for the cert using the link and details kindly provided here.  My main concern is that the cert won't give the parents' details, because the note from the dead relative is quite detailed, mentioning even the witnesses but does not mention anything at all about parents, which I would have thought would be a more important details to write down.  However, I don't even have a clue whether this relative had or saw the certificate or was going off details from something else - whatever it was she had that she took these details from has not been passed on to me, only her handwritten letter to another relative who was researching our family tree.  It is this other (living) relative who passed the dead relative's papers on to me.  I don't know if anyone reading this will be interested in the outcome.  I'd be happy to post on this thread again if/when I get the cert but won't bother if no one expresses an interest.  I note from other threads that some people are wary of providing their card details to the Roscommon address but I've done it many times online or on the phone and have no such qualms.  I am going to use a UK Visa debit account card and the form doesn't specify that isn't allowed even though they want payment in Euros by cheque etc, so assume a debit card from a sterling account is OK for them..

[aghadowey]

Irish marriage certificates will list fathers' names and occupations but not the mothers' names.