DUNCAN David - Sillytown, Fife

[Wiggy]

I am seeking information about David DUNCAN, father of David,  baptised in Auchterderran 14th Aug 1796. 
The baptism record states merely that  David DUNCAN and his wife of Sillytown had their son baptised on 14th Aug 1796 and named him David.   Mother's name not mentioned.

I would love to find out a bit more about David the father, what his wife's name was - and if there were any more children in the family.
I have two possible matches for a wedding
 - one to Margaret in Pittenween on 4th March 1795, would make her 'wife' in 1796, but no Margarets in subsequent family  (on the line I've been following anyway)
 - one to Elizabeth in Kilrenny on 27 Sept 1797.  plenty of Elizabeths in family - but she would not have been officially 'wife' in 1796.

I don't even know if David was the eldest - am assuming so because of Scottish naming system, but there could have been older siblings

Also how his son David came to be in Plymouth some years later when he married -  did he join the navy in Scotland maybe!

Link to thread of David Jnr's family in Plymouth - he joined the navy -
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,480010.0.html

Any help most gratefully received.

Wiggy          sure get confusing when each generation is David!!

[Wiggy]

One other thing - though David the son seems to have been consistant with his age, at his death his daughter gave his age as 86 which would put his birth back to 1791
 - keeping an open mind about that one - found a couple of births which could be right - but going with age HE said he was rather than what daughter said after his death - (at the moment!    )

Wiggy   

[Gadget]

I don't even know if David was the eldest - am assuming so because of Scottish naming system, but there could have been older siblings

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Hi Wiggy

Why do you say this?

The Scottish naming system goes:

1st son - father's father
2nd son - mother's father
3rd son - father

So,  unless David the elder's father was David, this son might well be the 3rd son.

However, this was not always followed but is a good starting point.

I assume you've seen that there's another David Duncan and his wife of Sillytown who had a son, David,  baptised 2 years later -  b. 25 Feb and bpt 4 March 1798. The first one might have died.


Gadget

PS - the 1796 one was 3 April not 14 August 

[Gadget]

Hi again

Do you have a list of David (b. circa 1796)'s children in birth order.  It might help identify the mother. Although, as they were all b. ex-Scotland, it might not 


Gadget

[Wiggy]

David 2's children are Elizabeth, 1822, David 1824, Harriet 1827, Archibald 1834 and Caroline 1838.  

and yes I know that naming system - but this is David 1, born Fife I presume, not to be confused with David 2 born Fife, in Plymouth or David 3 born Plymouth, in Aus.

I'm not trying to confuse anyone here, but it seems that David 1's father could have been another David - so he still could have been named for his grandfather!!!!      with a family like this who's to say there isn't yet another of the species behind this one.

At death, in 1877 his daughter Caroline said he was 86 - and I have found two other likely births in 1791, also in Fife - one to George and Janet - which sounds quite likely to me as those names reappear down the line, (though not in the next couple of generations) and the other to Thomas Duncan and Mary Laing - and the fact that these two don't seem to have been married fits with the family theory!
Kris, who was helping me on the Devon board - thinks the 1791 births are unlikely given David's constant age-giving which matches 1796 - but his death age fits 1791.    I have definite marriage for David 2 in Plymouth in 1814 to a girl who seems to have been 13 - if the records are to be believed - they didn't start having children until 1822 so it could be right!!!   (FindMyPast record)

'I dunno', say she throwing up her hands in frustration!!!      

Wiggy   

Sorry: edited first sentence

[Gadget]

Do you have Grace's parents' names to discount?

[Gadget]

How do you know he was born in the Auchterderran area?

From what I've read on the other thread and the deciphering one, he was born Fife circa 1796. Fife's a big place and the one that you have selected seems to have died anyway.


Gadget

[Wiggy]

Yes well
1.  I believe Graces's parents were John and Ann.   It is tricky because at Grace's death she was said to be 53 but her birth date is given as 1801 - I think 1798 but cant' find a birth record for either - think another rellie got this from IGI.   1798 rings better with marriage I think.

2.  I can't remember - I know the 'family lore' says Fife and I looked around for Davids born about the right time - and came up with those -  Somewhere I've seen something about Cupar (?) also - but where??? 

What one I selected - that family do you mean??   I was wondering if the whole family moved away.  Been searching FindMyPast today with very little success - not enough to go on - only the one son that I know of and he's not in Fife!!

Wiggy

[Wiggy]

Another thing Family lore says is that he was illegitimate - don't know if that is true or not -

(someone was trying to trace David, the RN guy, back to Admiral Lord Duncan somewhere - I think it is bunkum myself - but they were trying - and they came to the conclusion that if he was, is was on the wrong side of the blanket!!!)